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mircea_popescu: i mostly like the intimation that while they may not have any exact proof, they do have sufficient inexact ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were fashionable for folx with 3rd grade education to attempt such proofs, and i got one in the mail ( why., though, i dun work in that racket ) i might begin to do as subj link describes, and triage'em by symptoms
mircea_popescu: i expect alf himself WILL voraciously read "proof" of former, no matter the source.
asciilifeform: it is , i mean, problem not only for one side. as the linked piece is about.
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall you spending some lines discussing the problem of "unknown practitioner"
asciilifeform: i dun see the problem at all
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't per se dispute the piece can be rescued with liberal application of benevolent reading balm. i just don't seem inclined.
mircea_popescu: i recall he was a grad student or such
asciilifeform: what about the dudley piece is in any way false ? the folx described therein, behave exactly as described, i have met them
mircea_popescu: o i had a lot of fun with that as a kid.
asciilifeform: did the usg.ntp people ever get a signed version going, i wonder
erlehmann: i guess trisectorball cannot into hilbert space
erlehmann: i remember reading an article about the trisectors
erlehmann: i wonder what “simple” in that sentence would mean. short? or “i have a beautiful solution but it does not fit into the margin of this input field”?
shinohai: I was in there like maybe a year ago, it's definitely as dead as #b-a
shinohai: While Limnoria is stable bot platform, the way it handles plugins does a lot of crazy shit I've never been able to fix. :/
shinohai: Yeah phf ....it's the heathen google plugin that came with gribble. I haven't bothered to fix, sorry, since I have a rewrite in the worx
phf: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679724 i just noticed that jhvh1 seems to mangle urls with escape sequences in them on search ☝︎
mircea_popescu: THAT is what i mean by "ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.".
mircea_popescu: i was not. i was stating the gypos then befouling the peninsula are not worthy of inclusion in the species.
mircea_popescu: i tihnk you have no appreciation of the fact that a thousand years is much MUCH wider than the piddly 5k kms making up the us sideways.
asciilifeform: i.e. when 'italy' was a topographic name
asciilifeform: disunified - i.e. pre-garibaldi
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 22:28 asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S4MzV/?raw=true << mpfhf in python , I was thinking about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679471 and flipping a single bit instead of going through the whole array ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679687 << i'ma very curious nao, what mircea_popescu finds so horrible about the original disunified italies - y'know, the place that contained the original tmsr... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: none of this, "i have these toys in my shop, which i play with today".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was discussing capital goods not labour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look into small business papers sometime ? waht can i tell yoiu, the bezzle's the bezzle, it's what it does.
asciilifeform: i dun get it
mircea_popescu: recall (part of why i even republishedf that) -- hamilton was an original, and originally a lonely, voice in the "to spend -- you MUST first tax" camp.
asciilifeform: i.e. centralized megastate
mircea_popescu: i don't really see it. jefferson, for all his popularity, was intellectually ~nil.
mircea_popescu: that part i'm not convinced of.
mircea_popescu: i suppose technically roosevelt broke the shattered remains left after monkeyboy lincoln, but still, general idea.
asciilifeform: where do i download the client that makes usd exchange rate 1giga ???
asciilifeform: 'even if i run the real bitcoin node, my bitcoins price are going to crash. you can try to isolate yourself with that software, but the price is subjected to whats going on outside.'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 14:50 phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."”
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's for 'feeding' period. vtree is not fit for feeding to passive mouths, fella has to go out an' get it himself, i.e. the original concept of scholarship
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679599 << this is implicit to any forced (i.e. for feeding to dullnormal children) linearization of history, which is at the very basic a vtree ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf i kept telling the naive early adopter noobs that gifting coin is fucking dumb.
phf: nah, a very naive, outsider "somebody gifted me bitcoin, i logged into coinbase recently and the whole experience is a piece of shit, so bitcoin, shmitcoin, whatever"
phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."” ☟︎
mod6: can i also say that this whole lobbesbot thing is a pretty great model. does auctions, then he collects the fees (monthly?).
mod6: i dunno. just one of those nights i guess.
mod6: i didn't sleep a wink last night.
mod6: maybe i imagined that lol.
mircea_popescu: i think i even mentioned this in the logs at some point. perpetual connections are unsanitary.
mod6: ah, i mean, where the girls were carrying up buckets of water?
mircea_popescu: ah it wasn't the power, i have it set to disconnect at six in the morning deliberately.
asciilifeform: interestingly, when asciilifeform was a cable runner he had a very cheap but effective similar-looking 'fox and hound' tool. i suspect that these are easier to get right , because the signal injected by the 'fox' is not 60hz and is not pestilentially everywhere in the house
asciilifeform: i have a prehistoric variant of this tool that worx great, but it has a little ring that opens & clamps around wire
asciilifeform: i already have THAT one
asciilifeform: is what i thought also!
mircea_popescu: i keep forgettiong the tards are in bayesian "intelligence" mode.
mircea_popescu: as i've been witnessing
asciilifeform: thing is, i'm quite sure that a hashtron satisfying the original ('make it maximally nasty, with provably no respite') condition CAN be made. i'ma come back to it when i wrap up my current megabacklog.
asciilifeform: a cycle ( by mircea_popescu's own proof from other day ) is repeated ( i.e. rewound ) 1-2 times
mircea_popescu: it's certainly not practical to simply say "i will just allocate lenM ** 2 bytes for s whenever hashing"
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers ) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> because turnstiles are racist or i don't even know what led to the system designed such that anyone can just wander onto the trains << St Louis trains are like this, finally hit critical mass because "only white man pays" has turned train into war zone
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'ma learn from the greats, e.g., BingoBoingo , instead!11 << Mebbe an enjoyable part time gig comes out of it? Spend some weekends delousing locals? Covnert difference to benjies and ensuitcase for flight day?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma learn from the greats, e.g., BingoBoingo , instead!11
ben_vulpes: it is though, obvious transit welfare for the homeless. "no i don't have id, no i don't have a place of residence, good luck getting the fine out of me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do they do the "i am a black man fighting THE man therefore only white people gotta pay" thing ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I dunno that I ever once paid for a train or streetcar in pdx
ben_vulpes: because turnstiles are racist or i don't even know what led to the system designed such that anyone can just wander onto the trains
ben_vulpes: "sorry for the inconvenience sir, you have a good day now. you know they keep saying there's a patch coming that'll improve battery life for these things, but i haven't seen it yet." "heh yeah and i don't beliueve that it'll work."
ben_vulpes: in shitantium lols, i submitted my nfc train fare card for inspection this am. portoscanner a: couldn't read through the leater of my wallet, b: came out of the fare inspector's pocket hung, c: unhung only to die for lack of batteries.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. not a problem that reasonably gets a final solution, but rather shifting sets of engineering compromises )
mircea_popescu: and ftr if it's not that i want no part of it.
asciilifeform: hey i did not say 'they cannot be cut'
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the, give poor kids a free delousing and glasses part of no kid left behind. i mean the make smart kids dumber part.
mircea_popescu: on some level i am sure it was. not just the management siude though.
asciilifeform: ( somewhat unrelatedly , i find the fact of google and crapple each adopting a proprietary shitlang, to be a fascinating thing from 'labour politics' pov -- was it an attempt to put a damper on 'poaching' of workers ? or something else. )
mircea_popescu: i am pretty sure he knows what golang is.
asciilifeform: rather than 'hey this is great candy, but why do i feel funny'
asciilifeform: because if i see an l1 fella eating rat poison, even a very very sweet one, i'd like him to at least be aware of what it is he is doing
mircea_popescu: because yes, someone certainly oughta and i couldn't in good conscience tell someone to go do it.
mircea_popescu: i'm glad to hear.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it certainly oughta. but this was not the light in which i saw the thread.
mircea_popescu: you know guns kill people and yet i being a people still know how they work and even took one apart once. as opposed to running in screaming terror
trinque: meaning no disrespect to sina (and I figure he knows this from output) his pronouncements are not going to have the same effect on tmsr as a Lord's will
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i ( and , as in linked threads, in the past, mircea_popescu also ) observe that golang is not 'simply another prog lang' but a carefully built intellectual gluetrap for the naive and energetic
asciilifeform: as i see it yes
asciilifeform: i dun see the disconnect.
mircea_popescu: what's the alfhf that goes from S = "phf: why would you even." to H = "just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not" ?
asciilifeform: i dun see it.
asciilifeform: but just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 16:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here';s the thing : i didn't get that impression from what you were saying. and the substance of a scam is when the reader doesn't get that impression from the copy.
mircea_popescu: i don't, because it's meaningless as such. but fulfillment is a long way
asciilifeform: i regard my duty of 'showing' to be fulfilled, when i state, without any strong emotion, that i will not run golang, nor encourage others to do so.
asciilifeform: i dun subscribe.
mircea_popescu: i have.
asciilifeform: i dun get it
asciilifeform: ( i have not ever visited a cement plant in person yet either )
mircea_popescu: i don't imagien you're picketing brothels.
trinque: I think that's the distinction between youth and wisdom, and youth is *meant* to go try to die, and see if it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you could never everr, no matter what, go into their harappan little huts and lift the beaded clothes to find harappan cunt, and then explain to your host, "well, it's ok for a coupla hours i guess, but i wouldn't live here. BECAUSE..."
asciilifeform: the way i see it, it is the duty of a serious n00b , who wants to become an adult practitioner of whatever black art , to learn a human lang like french, english, german, etc , rather than to expect the learned folx to learn his piglang, quechua, whichever...