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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cazalla http://38.media.tumblr.com/7ad4654847475e56874e1c73cb6d7c24/tumblr_n4ncm0tcwb1rm35woo2_r2_400.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform similarly there's no substitute for salt pickles
jurov: yes i like em too
mircea_popescu: jurov no, they're olphactorily signed
asciilifeform: aha those are the plus-sizers!
jurov: are theses sprats cryptographically signed?
asciilifeform counts three cans
asciilifeform: i presently get my (and got the woman addicted likewise, when first met even) sprat fix from a german importer in wash. dc
mircea_popescu: really it's the can. black and gold.
asciilifeform: a terrible erzats
asciilifeform: sprats (iconic canned fish, familiar to virtually all sovblok folks) started shipping with 'synthetic smoke'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for a spell, eu banned smoked foods (!) - because 'carcinogen' - and then latvia, eu circa '04, got the sharp end of the ban
kakobrekla: whats the story there ascii
mircea_popescu: yeah but i think they;'re faking the smoke
asciilifeform: i still get these!
mircea_popescu: used to get the nice sprots too.
mircea_popescu recalls that.
asciilifeform: suspected bot (what living thing is that persistent? possibly only mircea_popescu's jar mouse...)
thestringpuller: !s turd
kakobrekla: just saying the standard is poorly defined.
asciilifeform: a theoretically minimal bitcoinator will not fit in 'avg head,' no.
kakobrekla: still this is very arbitrary. can expect to stuff this in avg head and also on the other hand some people can digest some funky shit.
ben_vulpes: but tis but a guess and that guess from me, and discounts should be applied heavily.
ben_vulpes: few things are certain even to those capable of reasoning about them. i must fumble in the dark making guesses. my guess though, is that some parts of it work.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as kakobrekla pointed out, this cannot be established - at least, quite certainly not given the extant turd.
ben_vulpes: if it does what it says on the tin, i find it a vastly more palatable meal than say a dollar
kakobrekla: the test "if you can stomach" it is not the best one imho
asciilifeform: when i say 'fits in head', i mean in the same way mechanism of doorknob, or kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: can fit a kg or two of cement there.
asciilifeform: not enough to fit in your stomach, for something to be food.
kakobrekla: 'fits in head' < meh, some folks fit 50k digits of pi in ther head.
asciilifeform: where's the beauty?
ben_vulpes: what a miserable, beautiful turd.
ben_vulpes: what a turd
asciilifeform: although, i'll spill the one bean, that the point of my particular long-term 'fits in head' compaction for it, is to determine (for my own perverse pleasure) whether: it works.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: note that 'hops on the network and downloads blocks' is not necessarily equivalent to 'works'
ben_vulpes: it's at least an example of the desired process.
asciilifeform: if it was zapped by flag to begin with
asciilifeform: if making 'cosmetic' change, can diff the binaries (after stripping debug crud)
ben_vulpes: best to do it correctly, though. and binaries are not my concern - source is.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: considering that this fix should not have changed the built binary one byte, you probably did not need to do the live-fire test.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: toss it in jurov's turdatron when the latter's ready.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. ☟︎
kakobrekla: never ? < ah i got it. wait 18 months for computing power to double
ben_vulpes: watch that turn out to be an aws maxi-sized VPS
kakobrekla: > A single machine acting as a full node takes approximately 10 minutes to verify and process a 32 MB block, meaning that a 32 MB block size is near the maximum one could expect to handle with 1 machine acting as a full node < but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ?
cazalla: actually, ben_vulpes was that even in response to article or chat above
ben_vulpes: what are the stats of this "one machine"?
assbot: Conformal Release Bitcoin Transaction Simulator | Qntra.net
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/conformal-release-bitcoin-transaction-simulator/ might be of some interest to some
ben_vulpes: i'd like to have a thing that built a patch; booted the resulting artifact on testnet, mined some TN coins, sent them to itself, etc
asciilifeform: 'testing can reveal the presence of bugs, but never their absence.' (dijkstra?)
assbot: [RFC] Bitcoin QA : Continuous integration, testing robot
ben_vulpes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25881.0 << tragedy
asciilifeform: only way to even begin test, is to fire it in anger
ben_vulpes: surely there's more rigor possible than this.
ben_vulpes: i build the thing, and then boot it, and if getblockcount increments under my eye - it passes?
ben_vulpes: this is kind of terrifying.
asciilifeform: satoshi's 0.1 does not include them
asciilifeform: seems to contain very basic tests for things like script
ben_vulpes: would like to run tests, write tests, etc
ben_vulpes: i have zero familiarity with the c ecosystem
asciilifeform: if planning to screw with the things those are testing - might want to
asciilifeform never tried this
ben_vulpes: the test-bitcoin line in makefile.unix - is that where i should look for running tests?
asciilifeform shudders to think what illiteracy looks like, if this were so
ben_vulpes: you're the literate one...
asciilifeform: at any rate, what do i even have to do with this. cough up yer own name.
asciilifeform: i don't like what english does to 'c'.
ben_vulpes: whence the k tho
asciilifeform: gilding can be applied to the lily - later.
asciilifeform: i.e. that which 'bitcoinates'
asciilifeform likes mircea_popescu tip for user-configurable magic numbers for all magicnumberconstants
asciilifeform missed this
asciilifeform: not that they're this stupid - but then again...
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever screened the pnSeed[] crap for known shitgnome ip ranges ?
jurov: i have to try it first what the "signature on the post" means if it si not S/MIME
jurov: Yes. then the patch above can be used: "A post will be distributed only if the PGP signature on the post is from one of the list members."
asciilifeform: barbarians should not be able to piss in the soup
jurov: and whoever want to sign it, sends patch-author-id.sig too
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: to digress, what's the rationale behind keeping makefile.linux-mingw?
asciilifeform: and nothing can really be done about this.
asciilifeform: possible to have two attachments, plain ascii patch - and, second, detached sig of the former ?
jurov: when multiple files are needed, can be tarred
asciilifeform: or tarred
jurov: other people shall reply and send only their signatures
jurov: no it's looking like one attachment the tarball, another attachment the signature
asciilifeform: to feed into some mechanized viewer at a later time
ben_vulpes: responses to patch thread with sigs?
asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read << would a new tarball with sig attached suffice?
asciilifeform: pgp/gpg mandatory mutilation of clearsigned text makes me retch
jurov: ic, the tarball is easy be signed by others
asciilifeform: this is why i was so preoccupied (see yesterday's log) with keeping them as small as physically possible
asciilifeform: jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read
asciilifeform: jurov: important thing is that patches and sigs must stay married
jurov: ah that
asciilifeform: jurov: unless you can think of a better idea
jurov: you want to send patches in above tar.gz format?