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mircea_popescu: i suppose these are rather compatible memories.
mircea_popescu: phf i thought that was lisp
mod6: ok, so i dropped on a binary install of adacore onto my gentoo environment here just to test...
mod6: also, above, I pasted the wrong link to adacore, here's the one that I was given to get the adacore source: http://libre.adacore.com/download/configurations
mod6: aha, ok. i get what you're sayin'
asciilifeform: this so far is in fact the thing i like least.
mod6: i guess i didn't realize that, i thought you just, ofc, need a working gcc.
asciilifeform: ( how this was finessed on day0 -- i do not presently know )
asciilifeform: though i will point out that gnat+gcc5/6 might not in fact suffer from same horrors as cpp on same.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the official adacore gnat installs in 3minutes, but with obvious caveat (you live with binarolade) << yeah, i see they do have bins, but was going to custom handroll my own, to not only get one sanely built for my own environment, but will also allow me to set whatever ./configure flags I might need for optimizations.
mod6: well, like I was saying in #trilema-mod6 around that same day was, perhaps we're going to need to start freezing some of the things required to stand up a gcc4+gnat4 if it becomes required. i have a fear that this shit will start to disappear eventually.
mod6: shinohai, I think, figured out a way to do this, and pointed me at: http://www.adacore.com/products , but I haven't dug into it yet myself.
mod6: so, as a trial, i set it up on my eulora box.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ? << yeah, this is always a bad idea. only reason i did it, was to get an ada env stood up quickly. i had a super weird problem on the first environment that I tried on. the gnat version didn't match the gcc version and was getting like non-determinstic errors.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: plz repaste your barf << ok, shall I rerun your make, included with the fact.tar.gz ?
mod6: i can, i guess, bundle all those deb packages and send 'em.
mod6: this is all the stuff that is installed (i think) via apt for gnat: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mZRtO/?raw=true
asciilifeform: i misplaced it
asciilifeform: fwiw i have a box with the adacore bin gnat, everything worx great even there
asciilifeform: so i can replicate your wtf.
mod6: I'd be happy to try anything on my environment for you if it were to help sus out what might be wrong with it. I truly have no idea where to begin on this thing.
mod6: My thinking is that, if i need to be able to use all the switches ad denoted in your makefile (since my mine doesn't seem to allow for that), I may need the adacore configuration.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat. << yeah not sure what the problem is. it's a binary installation of gnat via apt-get, so that, i'm sure is part of the issue. however, it works better than the first ada configuration that I had, which, didn't work at all.
asciilifeform: somehow phuctor is a junkyard magnet for this style of nonsense. and, i imagine, a very frustrating one
asciilifeform: and fuck knows how many at night, i dun even always bother to catalogue
asciilifeform: i see 3-4 of these every day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect the -- is supposed to do something or the other to mysql. the rest is just a selection of terminators.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about, i expect.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685111 << obviously the purpose of the "asking" is the stroking of the implicit assumptions of equality baked in. the question isn't "what is this ?" but rather "hey, i know i'm a guy 100% interchangeable with any/all of youze, right, i can even pm mp if i feel like it, so say something to signify your agreement, whatever it is, when i ask you hey guys what is this ?" ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun presently have a working bigendian box here.
BingoBoingo: I thought that comes last
mod6: perhaps if i can get that working, then I can use the -cflags -O2 thing alright without issues.
mod6: I'll be spending some time this week to try to get adacore's stuff built into gentoo with gcc. not sure now how this will go, but will let you guys know.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm sure you've seen https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4937
asciilifeform: i often wonder, when this question is asked, what the asker expects the answer to look like.
BingoBoingo: <whatisthis> yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can? << No, first tell up who your daddy is and what does he do
whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684964 << there are no non-ascii chars in my input. i ran a test, of the makefile in the tarball, and ended up with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Au741/?raw=true ☝︎
whatisthis: im reading the trilema site. and I don't really understand what's going on. But I'm terribly intrigued to continue reading it
asciilifeform: if it's dwarfed by i/o, we can say it took 0!1111
phf: parse-integer actually took significantly longer than factorial (i'm trying to figure out how to get a millisecond timer out of sbcl to wrap factorial to answer your question, but i don't think there's anything native)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685050 << lol i missed this earlier ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma guess you'd get a very similar speed, however, if you permitted http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684198 . ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll bbl.
asciilifeform: i have done this continuously ever since mod6 unearthed the sharp edge with 'Image operator
asciilifeform: ( ftr i tested it on both of the two major species of gnat )
asciilifeform: phf: something is very very very wrong with mod6's gnat, but i do not yet know what
phf: asciilifeform: just fyi, your package of goodies compiles, i haven't ran it through, but with gdb i can catch it mostly doing Mul, and producing sensible states
Framedragger: (i thought you maybe wanted to check if archive.is tampered with it; which yes we should be able to do as well)
Framedragger: i just wasn't sure if you were looking for a particular downloaded-from-earlier copy of that zip file
Framedragger: yes of course and i agree
Framedragger: ah i meant to quote http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683532 ☝︎
Framedragger: i'll do the latter, as to the former, i'm afraid it doesn't have it as of yet
mircea_popescu: i tried for isntance feeding the original makefile in line by line with my comparer thing, but all the lines match.
mircea_popescu: which is why i asked if you have anything like that.
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe it is the case that it takes a 2 or 3 byte item which starts with valid ascii and tries to interpret it as some sort of unicode bs and in the process ends up applying a transform to the text somehow. but unless we have the actual magic string, we're not finding this.
mircea_popescu: and i am not about to see 500 or 5 million instances of that morph into some kind of actual proof of anything.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i never did manage to verify the saga was anything more than alf's extremely short fuse.
phf: but i figure i'll try pushing a binary file through (which wasn't the spec anyway, just wanted to see what actually happens)
phf: i mean, we've had very many tests demonstrating it, part of ongoing "paster ate my characters" asciilifeform saga
mircea_popescu: no, i see that.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:50 phf: i'm using this function http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/K916E/?raw=true to post this file http://glyf.org/tmp/foo i'm posting it by doing a command "cat foo | wotpaste"
phf: so it shouldn't be loosing anything in 0-127 range, at least the foo file comes through clean. it is trying to parse the input as unicode (and i'm pretty sure it's the server doing it, because curl is sending it 8bit clean)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm calling it good before i fill the guy;'s disk with random lines.
trinque: phf's "foo" breaks it, though really, if the thing's an ascii paster, I dunno that the bug's anything but "fed uniturds, did not tell user to fuck off"
mircea_popescu: (i don't expect it does, because look in 2nd paste. the -=== bit is produced by echo.
trinque: I think echo adds a newline, for one
mircea_popescu: trinque i am actually running a terst and it's pretty mindboggling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform best i can tell, wotpaste simply drops nonascii chars. was something in the makefile not ascii ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:00 mod6: asciilifeform: here's what I get when I grab the generic Makefile, and use your fact.tar.gz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RaNYu/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684855 << i'ma need a copy of your ada tarballs, to see exactly how, but it has been shitgnomed into uselessness ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i'm very recently hamstrung in degrees of freedom by hardware failures, so i won't be terribly responsive for the immediate future. working on it tho.
phf: i say it right there! "cat foo | wotpaste"
mircea_popescu: phf what i mean is, im stuck guessing how wotpaste() { is called and etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:50 phf: i'm using this function http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/K916E/?raw=true to post this file http://glyf.org/tmp/foo i'm posting it by doing a command "cat foo | wotpaste"
phf: everything that i'm doing is expressed in this single message so i've no idea why you're making assumptions: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684895 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: no idea why i'm taking partial code/functions and making assumptions. here :
mircea_popescu: phf it does, the actual stuff you're sending. i imagine you feed it to curl via something somewhere in the call yes ?
phf: i'm using this function http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/K916E/?raw=true to post this file http://glyf.org/tmp/foo i'm posting it by doing a command "cat foo | wotpaste" ☟︎☟︎
phf: sorry, the two are not actual files, but hexdumps of the files i'm trying to post/getting back
mircea_popescu: i get the expected.
mircea_popescu: because i see 00000000: 0001 0203 0405 0607 0809 0a0b 0c0d 0e0f ................ as first line
phf: i checked them, they look correct
mircea_popescu: you mispasted a wotpaste link i think
phf: well, i wanted to see what sort of bits it mangles if any. and right now my combination of commands posts a file http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/q7PCa/?raw=true but returns http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ieRBr/?raw=true
phf: since i'm posting to a form though, it must be rfc 2388 compliant. afaiu posting raw binary data wouldn't work, because server needs to know which field the data is associated with
phf: yeah, wotpaste does the pasting, curl then pulls it back. i wonder if curl download negotiates it up to unicode
mircea_popescu: ah i thought it was the above quoted
phf: that's what i'm doing (this is the curl command ftr http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684821) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf i think your curl transcodes ?
phf: oh i think it transcodes
mod6: im gonna try to see if I can resolve the issues. probably just my environment or whateve.r
mod6: asciilifeform: here's what I get when I grab the generic Makefile, and use your fact.tar.gz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RaNYu/?raw=true ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i have, they're there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684837 << i diffed it, it mutilates... ☝︎
mod6: im probably condemmed to going through all the hoops to get gnat setup on gentoo. i just haven't ventured into it yes as it seems like a pretty timely, process.
mod6: I'll check into wtf is going on. I'm running gnat on 4.9.2 on deb.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 22:52 mod6: yah, gotta be the version of my make is different than yours, plus, i'm not using adacore's gnat
sina: trinque: I just came to try and get a rise out of asciilifeform :P
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684186 << it's hard more than that AFAIK, although I only started using it about 1.5y ago ☝︎