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ave1: mod6, asciilifeform: I've been playing with GNAT versions and the fact code

lobbes: BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD? << wtf I didn't even consider this. And yeah, this'll be a great opportunity to clean out the physical crap that's probably choking out the airflow in the thing.

mircea_popescu: "i'm not only a virgin, but i never laid a hand on my slit" comes with a smegma guarantee.

asciilifeform: ( am i the only one who still cleans these regularly ? )

mircea_popescu: a sentiment i can sympathize with -- no better way to ruin the day of cleanfreak chick than making her open up her years-old laptop.

BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD?

lobbes: I'll learn shit in the process, at least.

lobbes: damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron.

lobbes: in other questions: Prompted by up-stack threads and after much log reading I've concluded that a SSD is a must for trb-ing. Would an external usb SSD be adequate, versus, say a SATA connection?

mircea_popescu: the theory is that there's no "best practices", and deliberately. i'm pretty sure the practice follows the theory, but we'll definitely never know.

sina: mircea_popescu: and yet it is so, the logs are the only place I can imagine such a sentence being discussed today

mircea_popescu: not that i fault penny-an-hour hack/writer for not being able to reproduce reality in his fancy.

mircea_popescu: i can't fwiw

sina: I mean I can picture reading it in the logs

sina: "You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses while your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha... "

mircea_popescu: i get that part, but what does it aim to, what's the tendency ?

mircea_popescu: sina yes. i actually infiltrate all conceivable enemies.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686392 to this point : depends how much you're worth. if you're worth nothing, then you are thereby "safe" in this sense, that while protein rich i still don't eat the moths in my house. ☝︎

sina: then I am reasonably content :P

sina: mircea_popescu: if that is a complete list, then I am content with a useful answer.

asciilifeform: i had nfi that this is a difficult concept.

sina: whereas I am asking, what is the gradient of consequence, given differing scenarios and adversaries

sina: trinque: of course! and I ask, is there no value in understanding the consequences of a given act?

asciilifeform: == 'what is the point of obeying traffic signals, i have a good chance of death in traffic anyway'

sina: again to reiterate I seek only understanding, not to make a point or argument

sina: otherwise asciilifeform would surely say "what is the point of encrypting, I am broadcasting my key to all, every time"

trinque: if standing on hot coals, I bet you'd run even though you'd only step on more coals, at least for a while.

sina: it's not an argument, only the next thought that pops into my head as a consequence of the discussion. all here seem on the same page re constanttime stuff, yet all here are using the tool in spite of that, so there must be some thought process which allows someone as reasonably paranoid as asciilifeform to do so, i.e. "I am not concerned with timing attacks of class X, Y, Z from adversary A, B,C when I

asciilifeform: sina: i'll ask just this one more time : what is your argument ?

asciilifeform: if it's 500 recipes / sec for an hour, i'll read it

sina: can I safely state, if I want to email trinque RSA encrypted cake recipe, that asciilifeform can never read it?

sina: I ask here, because I feel here can give a useful answer

sina: none of us do, and yet, tmsr uses "18th century hygeine" anyway. I am assuming because of considered evaluation of possible threats and their outcome

sina: which is fine, and I guess my point, because you must understand there is some adversary which can read your keys and some which cannot and you as of current, accept the risk

sina: what I'm trying to understand, is which adversaries can mount a timing attack, and which cannot, given async comms

sina: I guess I should rephrase my question

sina: right, I know the thing of synchronizing bullets with the propellor spins

sina: however I would note that at the end of that thread it was still unclear to me how the final model I proposed was unsafe in any case

sina: asciilifeform: if you would consider this question as a continuation of that thread rather than repeat, I'd appreciate

sina: I lose the key because an adversary is nearby watching all my EMR?

sina: but if I write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived?

sina: I mean, I get that there are timing attacks you could perform if there was a synchronous stream of traffic happening

sina: asciilifeform: basically I am wondering about the "threat model" of constanttime sidechannel stuffs. for example, let's say I want to write you an email with RSA encrypted body, or receive same from you, is there really a sidechannel there? I guess I'm asking in terms of async vs sync encrypted comms

sina: asciilifeform: if you are about I have a question for the resident expert on constanttime stuff

mircea_popescu: i could have not predicted this entirely surprising turn of events.

ben_vulpes: in other toxic masculinity news, one of the guys i share the office with brought a set of olympic weights in

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was not proposing that as a flaw.

whaack: i'm not advocating one doesn't make an effort to learn, I'm just pointing out that the material covered does not "fit in head" (as alf puts it) very easily and thus the main thing gotten from that book, for me at least, is the deep complexity involved with some of these schemes

whaack: what's the point of learning crypto for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow. there are so many traps in number theory, and the argument to believe that using a scheme like RSA is secure requires understanding so many lemmas. It's so easy to make a false proof, how can one not believe they're not being duped (intentionally or unintentionally) along the way to enlightenment. The one time pad is really the only thing I trust to t

asciilifeform: i thought subj were escapee from usa

asciilifeform: i thought thread was re 'they want back to usa'

asciilifeform: i started with ancient copy of schneier, later found the vanstone and realized that it is a superset

floog: basically, i realized that i suck, and i want to suck less. so i plan to read schneier per ben_vulpes' blog post's recommendation. but maybe i should read vanstone instead?

asciilifeform: there is some confusion re subj, and i fear that i created it :

shinohai: I've seen it all now

lobbes: Then I started reading the "trolls", then finally was lead here (I think it was pankkake that tipped me off). Then, it hit me like a "shit-ton of bricks (tm)": I'm retarded! The herd is retarded! I better stop, listen, learn from these evidently superior beings before I'm toast.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686119 << This was exactly my case. I have same appreciation towards folx here as ag3nt_zer0. I bought first btc at $20 for purposes of silk road back in early 2014. Price quickly shot up. Found tardstalk 'securities'. I thought "Wow, pretty graphs and charts. Lemme try and catch the next boat11!" ☝︎

mircea_popescu: hormel prolly status symbol. i have record of "eating at mcdo every sunday" being top of list of old woman trying to sell convenience marriagfe to her poetic daughter.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe it's beause they very literallty and genuinely think the us crap is good.

asciilifeform: though i'd imagine their population would be thinning by nao

a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer

asciilifeform: sad to say, i bet the spam ~moves~

ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: for instance, I may have traded my coins for doge or whateva

asciilifeform: i suspect that moar folx in usa know how to fly plane, than to ride horse

trinque: mircea_popescu: I did see a rather long line at the McD's in San Jose when there

ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform... I just mean there is a lot of noise and this place seems to be the clear signal... and I say "seems" simply because I don't understand it as well as I would need to dispose of that qualifier

mircea_popescu: it must be from a time before, i've nothing else.

mircea_popescu: but the truly mindboggling thing, to me, was that they were all fine riders. somehow. i do not know how. feet correctly in the saddle, not one, all, the men, children, women, etc. proper grips on at least half the reins. and so on.

mircea_popescu: and in general you know, "i'm not interested in LOOKING at the horses, but where could i snap a selfie from ?"

trinque: every idiot you pass on teh street glued to the glass rectangle is doing this. "omg, I exist, look there are notifications on the rectangle for 'me'"

mircea_popescu: i do not think so. these schmucks never had any money, they're the poor generation. their parents, yes, but these are the djb street urchins not the djbs.

asciilifeform: i thought it was from old fiatola habit ('spend it nao or it evaporates anyway')

mircea_popescu: "maybe mp paid everyuone around me to tell me they'd be all impressed if i married the hairbrush???"

mircea_popescu: which is why when i showed something awful the "here, you can pay people to do things to themselves" it BURNEDDDDDDD

floog: i converted my btc to ltc until post-aug1

asciilifeform: from where comes the 'who knows what I would be doing with my coins right now' ?

asciilifeform: i actually never understood this, even before encountering mircea_popescu et al :

ag3nt_zer0: all I can say is thank god I found this sanctuary of the guardians heh... otherwise who knows what I would be doing with my coins right now...

ag3nt_zer0: yes I am trying to get out by tomorrow asciilifeform

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything takes ssd, i have msdos boxes with ssd...

mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 if it doesn't take a ssd, prolly not useful for bitcoin node. otherwise i vaguely recall ppl trying the raspberry pi and blockverification taking too long

trinque: "I want to plan for my future, as expediently as possible." ?

ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu... yes I need to do this... is it more expedient for a newb like me to attempt this on my old G5 or should I try it on another rasbpi?

ag3nt_zer0: but am i just to assume that ANY key generated is legitimate and will work when time comes?

ag3nt_zer0: will display the correspnding pubkey... if it did this and everything matched can I take this as absolute that I am controlling and privkey will work when I want to send in 10 years?

ag3nt_zer0: might anyone help me with this question? I created a paper wallet using bitaddress.org transferred to little airgapped raspberry pi... not wanting to print on my wifi capable printer, I chose to write down the numbers. Now I am wanting to get my coins the hell off coinbase before the nonsense and am concerned that my private key is legit. so, I learned that I could go back on bitaddress.org, offline of course, and click "wallet de

trinque: probably in aggregate, on some spreadsheet; i.e. X boxes were "SCANNED FOR VULNERABILITIES"

asciilifeform: i thought state of the art 'serious work' was... stealing boxes

trinque: anyhow the deedbot box has backups on archival dvd, deploy scripts to plop the thing onto another box, etc etc; I'm sure same goes for other infrastructure

mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble." ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: i get these 'chinese' every day

trinque had fail2ban off for a while, and looked like there were mostly just two "chinese" IPs chewing on the box. when I re-enabled fail2ban, got moar IPs chewing, either by happenstance or one turd circumventing fail2ban.

asciilifeform: yea i dun get it

mircea_popescu: that's one statement as to why we dun wanna be socialist. I DON'T WANT MY ABSENCE OF MIND STRUCTURED MOTHERFUCKERS.

asciilifeform: i'm at a loss re what one can get from inside a111 that ain't easier to get from the upstream isp.

phf: it's weird enough that i'm going to spin up a new btcbase instance. this would be a really weird way to mess with it (why not nuke everything, etc.) and i'm sure i could've done something carelessly a while ago, and the things only now caught up, but i'd rather not experiment further.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered. << Fuckers were also sober when arriving to bar

asciilifeform: phf: completereload (i.e. uininvited power cycle?) seems likely

phf: asciilifeform: so test chan is hard written in code, in a defvar, but there's a config (essentially a setq ...) that's supposed to override it. the config was missing (which i ~vaguely~ remember maybe accidentally doing myself). so in any case defvar should've stayed consistent no matter what. i'm not sure ~how~ it could get reset without a complete reload of an instance or an explicit setq

mircea_popescu: vast majority of female teenagers who go to school that i've encountered past years have never been drunk.