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mrjr: there's edge cases with malleability etc, but the benefits are that bitcoin operations can have their coins kept in a tx form, not as the information of the privkey
mrjr: multisig is useful to protect access to privkey, by splitting the power of moving funds to 2+ entities. we pre-sign transactions, nlocked in time, and discard the private key.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo nvm; disregard
mrjr: thestringpuller: never had the need for it :)
mrjr: one of the first services we're providing (closed beta now) is keeping your nlock'ed transactions for you, until they're ripe for confirmations on the blockchain
mrjr: los_pantalones: i run LedgerLock, we're working on a product called time-vault, to secure your bitcoins in nlocked transactions rather than protecting the priv key ☟︎
thestringpuller: los_pantalones: is this in regard to BIP-65?
los_pantalones: see if that's compelling to the ppl in here
thestringpuller: annoying the customer out of their money.
los_pantalones: mrjr why don't you tell them a bit of what you are doing w/ ntimelock
nubbins`: how in the fuck is this a functioning business
nubbins`: guy made me wait 15 minutes while he struggled to determine if they actually sold 6-packs
thestringpuller: you would think it wouldn't be so difficult
nubbins`: you know this is the second time i've gotten dicked around over bulbs?
nubbins`: thestringpuller so now i say fuck that company and order the gd bulbs online
los_pantalones: for those of you with questions
thestringpuller: nubbins`: so instead of 18 bulbs, the guy pulls... three. << so now you have to wait another 10 weeks to get the next 15 you need?
nubbins`: ;;later tell ben_vulpes ^^ tell us what you know
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i'll give it a try today on a VPS
nubbins`: i was getting there but my virtual disk was too small, ran outta space, weird disk error ;/
asciilifeform: there are also idiots. some of whom are of the 'useful idiot' variety
nubbins`: anyone besides alf actually tried and failed loading blockchain on 0.5.3?
asciilifeform: there is precisely one enemy. but with many tentacles.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: know thy enemy << enemies are only relative. yesterday's allies easily become tomorrow's enemies. (perhaps maybe a one way street). ☟︎
asciilifeform: hence, they add up to an act of sabotage. what probably amounts to a hard fork that 'no one' noticed.
asciilifeform: if what i just said seems like nuttery, consider this. the 'bug fixes', so obviously bright and good, by phoundation since 0.5.3 - somehow add up to us not being able to load a full blockchain.
nubbins`: each of which is 6x more expensive than i'd previously thought.
nubbins`: so instead of 18 bulbs, the guy pulls... three.
nubbins`: soooo, the fluorescent tubes that took TEN WEEKS to get here? turns out "F20T12/BL 6PK" is the item number not of a 6-pack, but of a single bulb
asciilifeform: *phase transition
gribble: Rage Against The Machine: Know Your Enemy - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smim2MNvF8>; Green Day: "Know Your Enemy" - [Official Video] - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IclmVdWNbI>; Know Your Enemy (Green Day song) - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Your_Enemy_(Green_Day_song)>
asciilifeform: this is a phrase transition of sorts.
asciilifeform: at this point, the enemy is enemy not simply because of what he does or may do, but because of what he has done and what he is.
assbot: Dilbert comic strip for 02/05/2001 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
asciilifeform: how? because it then serves as bait, sugar so that you will swallow the shit.
thestringpuller: yes yes. but if this is case should we not remove nlocktime altogether?
gribble: Feature Creep on Dilbert.com: <http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Feature%20Creep>; February 5 2001 - Dilbert: <http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2001-02-05/>; Dilbert comic strip for 02/25/2013 from the official Dilbert comic strips ...: <http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-02-25/>
asciilifeform: one of the facts re: the phoundation is - even if gavin et. al. add something that is unambiguously, probably, angelically, positive to their turd - it is still an act of evil.
gribble: Feature creep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep>; What is feature creep - SearchCIO - TechTarget: <http://searchcio.techtarget.com/definition/feature-creep>; Urban Dictionary: feature creep: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feature%20creep>
thestringpuller: its a pretty neat feature for say senior to give jr. allotments of capital at guarenteed future date
thestringpuller: but yes I do see the new opcode as sorta crufty on "cruft"
nubbins`: surely the coar devs have spoken on this point
thestringpuller: nlocktime gives spender power to double spend before nlocktime occurs
thestringpuller: hmm. what do you think of the nlocktime problem?
asciilifeform: but more generally, any and all 'improvements' from the enemy ought to be thought of as 'fruits of poison tree'
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 01:46:06; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bip-0065 << classic 'relevance farming.' the phoundation will take any excuse to add cruft to the gizmo. in their fantasy, folks will use it, and those who have resisted their turds will be forced to merge in.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what do you think about BIP-65?
asciilifeform: in order to be studied in such a way as to be signable with good conscience, a given delta must exist as a purely human-readable document, of minimal length and formatting complexity.
asciilifeform: the deltas between the original and the end product are to be studied and judged by the participants (currently ben_vulpes, mod6, and occasionally yours truly)
asciilifeform: gavin is a fellow on the enemy side.
asciilifeform: Adlai: let's backtrack. the purpose of the effort spoken of earlier is to go from a 'bitcoind' of known pedigree to something worth using as a reference for, possibly in the future, reimplementation (how and by whom, deliberately not said)
asciilifeform: but this here is more of a sword vs pistol debate.
asciilifeform: ah, the ancient mines vs sentries debate.
Adlai: would you automate the following system: a car that self-destructs (killing the intruder) when it detects that it's being accessed without the owner's permission? where ownership is determined in an arbitrarily advanced way, ie, physical token, password, biometric, whatever you fancy.
asciilifeform: Adlai: elaborate please re: theoretical.
Adlai: i'll admit that my feeling that darcs could be appropriate for this purpose is based more on speculation from darcs's theoretic background than on familiarity with the actual working software
assbot: Cloud&Heat is putting servers in homes and offices and the heat from them is free.
asciilifeform: Adlai: i like 'git', 'darcs', etc. automata just as much as the next lazy fellow. but they are wholly inappropriate for this application. try to see why.
asciilifeform: Adlai: once you understand why i suggested it, and why those who agreed - agreed - you will learn something interesting.
Adlai: in my experience, all systems can be automated, and it's only a matter of deciding at what level you're willing to lose a human's judgement/"moral compass", but gain the benefits of automation
asciilifeform: Adlai: manual patching is a deliberate choice here. each patch is a document that those who sign it are expected to actually read -and- understand.
asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls ☟︎☟︎
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mike_c: hm, this deserves more study. with pictures.
xanthyos: i sent to my bc.i from coinbase. i am no longer anonymous.
mircea_popescu: turns out there's a lot of predictive power in this tits like math thing.
mircea_popescu: if you don't feel like doing it, you can always ask a ta.
mircea_popescu: mike_c same is true of women with big tits!
mike_c: you know what i like about math? i recently had a difficult math problem to solve, and didn't feel like dealing with it. so i had a math TA do it for total cost of 0.
xanthyos: it's a counterweight to the ass
xanthyos: is it selection by males or did women with larger breasts simply have more milk to feed their young?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos monkeys don't have any tits to speak of. the female breast is clearly the result of selection. the only way that works is for women with tits to have money while women without not to.
bagels7: no, women with large breasts make more money causing poor women to mainly be small tit owners
xanthyos: their big-titted mothers still provide their adolescents bras right?
xanthyos: so children with underdeveloped breasts now shop for themselves?
mircea_popescu: Singles Day—the annual Nov 11 online shopping frenzy in which Alibaba saw as many as 2.85 million transactions a minute at its peak, and a total of $9.3 billion in sales
mircea_popescu: because this is imaginaryworld.
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally, young women have less purchasing power than older women.
mircea_popescu: "Besides the possible reasons for the trend— namely that younger women with less purchasing power may be the ones buying smaller-sized bras"
mircea_popescu: punkman: big tits, more money << i can see it.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user bagels7: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014
xanthyos: wow coinbase is WAY cheaper than stander
xanthyos: use the wot to set up your own network of unabusive clientele
assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos the only thing i've said bout price is http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/
xanthyos: now i see it takes 4 days for them to send btc
mircea_popescu: what's even the point of buying fractions of bitcents ?
xanthyos: stander is the guy that danielpbarron and RetroUpriser and i have bought btc through for a while
xanthyos: no more buying btc through stander
xanthyos: woop 24 cents and 10 cents microdeposits went thru, activating coinbase
assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell scoopbot http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/
mircea_popescu: you're just getting in the way.
mircea_popescu: figure it out, the only customer of the bank is the govt.
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> if a bank calls me up suspicously i will turn it on them. how dare you bother a long standing customer! << lmao this works, yeah.
danielpbarron: usually have to pay higher fees too
thestringpuller: coinbase is a lot of work. I have to keep my accounts separate and can't have money fluctuate too high or low without suspcicious phone calls.
danielpbarron: more work than coinbase obviously
mircea_popescu: <bagels7> What do you expect from this WoT, Is fraud a concern << that didn't parse. say wut ?
danielpbarron: kinda hard to find them; not so hard to do them