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mircea_popescu: did they hang him ?
mircea_popescu: so they'd hang me.
mircea_popescu: let me model why : if i'm in that situation and you ask me that, i'ma in typical style go "wel lfrankly, i didn't believe that ice can crush steel. sue me."
asciilifeform: folks who actually made their living on ships, knew better.
asciilifeform: the 'uncrushable' thing was more of a marketing literature, tbh
mircea_popescu: why do you think lol.
mircea_popescu: they thought they had built the lenin
asciilifeform: curious why mr. l did not say this, then.
mircea_popescu: i don't think they understood ice will crush the ship, tbh.
asciilifeform: he's essentially sticking to the 'flondor defence.'
asciilifeform: L: Then all I can say is that recklessness applies to practically every commander and every ship crossing
asciilifeform: ice was in your immediate vicinity, to proceed at 21.5 knots.
asciilifeform: which you have described as abnormal, and in view of the knowledge you had from various sources that
asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ah like that.
mircea_popescu: when a ship is sinking, the officer is to do EXACTLY what's done.
asciilifeform: author of linked piece takes issue with l's conduct pre-sinking.
mircea_popescu: the fundamntal understanding of this is illustrated by the case made for giving people tenure and shit. research is an activity of the safe, which is why prisons and other emperor of the flies situations aren't conducive to proving the fermat conjecture.
mircea_popescu: a ship is sinking is undisputably the worst time to be going out doing "research".
mircea_popescu: his decisions were correct on the deck.
mircea_popescu: Lightoller is a particularly bad example, by the way.
asciilifeform: unwieldy, ruinously expensive, terrible ROI.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why i mentioned schwartz example.
asciilifeform: quite a few of the ancient science-fictional machines of early 20th c. imagination.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine anyone'd manage to supress it if it could work.
mircea_popescu: it's the one card out that could save teh current usg / societal structure.
asciilifeform: would make many things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, cold fusion would actually make the "local production" stuff that link earlier was harping about a reality.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: to rephrase, the dollar would have lost 99.99% of its value on the trip to 1mn BTCUSD
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to picture how bitcoin would have been treated, even in the embryonic stage, if the implications for the next xxx years from it, were entirely obvious to all.
mircea_popescu: ifsomeone wanted to manage a portofolio of ws shortness for btc, it'd prolly rock.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe im unbecomingly naive, but to my eyes cold fusion working is an event of such magnitude, it'd trigger an Auld Lang Syne moment.
los_pantalones: why don't you list stuff like that on mpex ?
los_pantalones: ha, TWTR put ?
asciilifeform: under the bezzle, there is very little profit in solutions.
asciilifeform: the folks who built careers on (promise of) the 'hot' variety.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i diun get it, who would be opposed to cold fusion and why ?
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asciilifeform: modern-day physicists want a demonstrable equivalence principle violation the way they want horsecock.
asciilifeform: for the reason stated in the 'titanic' article.
asciilifeform: or rather, lack of experiment, because the entire sub-field formed a 'solid blue wall' against herr schwartz
asciilifeform: but the phenomenon described above is entirely the root of the al schwartz equivalence principle violation experiment
asciilifeform: story time. i don't personally have any truck with fusion, cold or not;
asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'If it ever becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, how will the scientists who opposed it react? A few may take responsibility and go down with the ship, retiring from academic life. I hope that most will regret their actions, and try to prevent such a thing from occurring again. Some will react the way Lightoller did, blaming Pons and Fleischmann. They may say the traditions and customs of science a
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of an engineer.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose this also wraps right back up into wavelets lol.
asciilifeform: robert wood was probably the one notable exception to this blindness.
mircea_popescu: "gotta play the audience" means exactly that.
asciilifeform: see also james randi's notes on how physicists are easily fooled by methods that fool not one stage magician
asciilifeform: the linked article is at least partly about this.
mircea_popescu: this is something a politician is keenly aware of, but since the expert's brain actually functions, he's no politician.
mircea_popescu: the #2 reason it is idiotic is that discussion has remanence, poker hands do not. expert 30 years in has a fucking string of noted down examples of having done this, people with an ideologic interest can use to strangle him with
mircea_popescu: on the, bluffs here, bluffs everywhere heuristic
mircea_popescu: the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing
asciilifeform: almost as if they were living creatures trying to conserve energy or something
mircea_popescu: this is so idiotic as to defy sufficient expression.
mircea_popescu: when confronted with an inept player they loosen up their game
mircea_popescu: persuasion, however, is exactly that, poker reskinned.
asciilifeform: although 'tilt' might be the more relevant pokerism
mircea_popescu: now, thinking obviously has nothing to do with poker
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the vary basic level.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true tho. you familiar witrh playing pokler at all ?
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asciilifeform: ^ very interestingly perverse comparison of the 'titanic' aftermath and that of 'cold fusion'
asciilifeform: still believes that cold fusion calorimetry indicates real excess heat, the frustrated expert may resort to extreme, untenable claims, such as a statement that no calorimeter has an error less than 10%, when in fact the error margin for top-quality conventional instruments is on the order of 0.1%. Or he may wave his hands and say calorimeters are so undependable that you cannot run one for more than a few days
asciilifeform: 'This sort of illogic is rampant in debates about cold fusion, particularly when experts respond to irritating, unwelcome suggestions made by amateurs. They start out cautioning the amateur that instruments such as calorimeters have a margin of error, and calorimeters frequently malfunction with leaking cooling fluid and other problems. When the expert senses the message is not getting through, and the amateur
mircea_popescu: who;s this guy again ?
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mircea_popescu: jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks interesting again <<< it does, esp the week view. o.O look at that.
mircea_popescu: apparently. well then i dunno.
asciilifeform: around here, the 'common step away from excel' is 'r'.
mircea_popescu: once people crash their system trying to load 1mn cells for the 1kth time
asciilifeform: i wanted a book on 'j' 5 or so years ago, had to go to a library with spy camera.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, it's the common step away from excel
asciilifeform must have slept through the re-appearance of 'j'
mircea_popescu: you think coders are bad, just wait till you see mathematicians apply automated processes to statistical samples.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just between you and me and nobody else : i very much doubt the average j user actually has the mental acumen to correctly understand the actual effects of recursive transforms available to them, wavelets or no wavelets.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I gave the viewport tag one last tweak, next step is yeah, just denying mobiles any styling at all beyond what they bring on their own
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asciilifeform: fingers - will of their own.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about, as one gets tired stuff starts to mutate.
mircea_popescu: most mobile platforms have spent more money on making their thing work on unstyled websites than we ever will on qntra.
asciilifeform: i've probably crapped out every conceivable kind of mistake (when hammering in real time. text that i get to read again before broadcast - another matter)
mircea_popescu: davout: disabling all CSS would be fine << he has a point there, just de-css-ify it for mobile, will be fine.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, my own output lol.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin software does not appear to be vetted to such an extend. << the english-t to d migration is soooo indicative of a native romanian speaker you can't imagine.
mats_cd03: funny how there's no mention of USD being worth <0.1% of BTC if it goes to 1mn BTCUSD
mircea_popescu: http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ < i dunno if this lulz was here.
mircea_popescu: dailykos, it doesn't do equations, they're racist.
xanthyos: i wish they showed the equation
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