asciilifeform: every day that this has not yet taken place, i am pleasantly surprised.

asciilifeform: i, for instance, expect to end up slowly dismembered in a cia dungeon. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i conjecture that it's all a problem of expectations.

asciilifeform: this is merely the picture seen through my own 'shit-coloured glasses.'

asciilifeform: i can't claim to have a handle on what ails pankkake et. al. ☟︎

asciilifeform: nubbins`: that was the 'success' i was theorizing about people being disappointed in not having.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: let's say you wanted to close your printery and spend the rest of your days as a taleb-like scholarly man of leisure.

asciilifeform: i'd imagine i'm not the only one who considers 'success' as implying a total exit from 'don't work a day - don't eat a day'

asciilifeform: 'successful' i'd propose, would be in this context, folks who once had to prostitute themselves for fiat who no longer must, on account of something they worked on in collaboration with the people here.

asciilifeform: it is precisely the existence of 'success stories' in #b-a that creates the problem (if you will) of nonzero expectations.

asciilifeform: the funny part is that nobody quit, e.g., a model airplane club, because they realize that it will not make them rich.

asciilifeform: l of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon. It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need. As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted is hard to ☟︎

asciilifeform: marry, start a family, buy a house, have an accident, get seriously ill for a while, or a number of other very expensive things people actually do all the time, and the value of your work starts to get very real and concrete to you, at which point giving away things to be "nice" to some "community" which turns out not to be "nice" _enough_ in return that you will actually stay alive, is no longer an option. Al

asciilifeform: 'The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. For young people who have parents who pay for them or student grants or loans and basically have yet to figure out that it costs a hell of a lot of money to live in a highly advanced society, this is not such a bad idea. Grow up, graduate,

asciilifeform: ^ naggum on the subject

asciilifeform: they, i suspect, reach a point of thinking 'i can't eat hope'

asciilifeform: this may also explain the disappearance of moiety and a few other folks.

asciilifeform: some people don't react well to a (perceived) collapse of fantasy of escape from gravity well.

asciilifeform: not being the shrink for either of these folks, i can't say with certainty, but do have a hypothesis:

asciilifeform: ;;seen thickasthieves

asciilifeform: is there, somewhere, a smoky bar where they down hard drinks and tell anyone who'll listen how 'it was all a sham11!1!' ?

asciilifeform: incidentally - are there other 'retired' #b-a folks?

asciilifeform: what was his project (mentioned in the comment) ?