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JorgePasada: I saw this anamation of the lagrange points of Jupiter and how they drag asteroids around the sun with them. Pretty badass.
undata: meanwhile there are *colossally* bigger ones
mircea_popescu: iirc the smallest star limit is 0.x sun sizes.
kakobrekla: but on the small part of scale yea
kakobrekla: nah not that small
mircea_popescu: the sun is pretty much the smalest star that'd run.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny, the ancients thougt the sun and gold are cosubstantial.
kakobrekla: so how then?
kakobrekla: nor by the sun. < sure about that? :)
asciilifeform: the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks')
asciilifeform: (anyone crunch the 'fermi estimate' on it recently?)
asciilifeform: with the exception of neutron-bombardment product.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, because oil is locally made. gold was not made on earth, nor by the sun.
kakobrekla: at least as accurate as 'time till we run out of oil'
mircea_popescu: <decimation> at any rate, the biggest problem with hoarding gold is the fact that you really have no idea how big your enemy's hordes are << actually, yes, the total gold on earth is known within reasonable precision. one of the few proper fields of statistics.
asciilifeform: r. nixon went on a tour of knox (afaik the only president since fdr.) he was, iirc, even permitted to... touch! a bar.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to common belief, a ton of gold isn't that impressive a pile_
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: agreed. unfortunately, unlike the blockchain, very few have personally witnessed a real gold stash << actually, romanian central bank holds ~112 tons currently, you can pay ~15 bucks and go on a tour
asciilifeform: actually nothing is easier than 'moving' nonexisting object
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing it can do is stay where it "is"
mircea_popescu: <assbot> German Gold Stays in New York in Rebuff to Euro Doubters - Bloomberg <<< well the problem there is that it;s damned hard to move something that doesn't exist.
decimation: at any rate, the biggest problem with hoarding gold is the fact that you really have no idea how big your enemy's hordes are
asciilifeform: for anything larger than a coin
asciilifeform: thing is, the time to test Au is -before- paying for it
asciilifeform: yes, this was discussed here. but whether they are actually used 'in anger', and what - if anything - is done to verify their function, is - afaik - unknown.
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. unfortunately, unlike the blockchain, very few have personally witnessed a real gold stash
nubbins`: occasionally people sell fake gold on the forums
assbot: Ultrasonic Testing of Gold Bars ... ( http://bit.ly/1EY1IDF )
decimation: there are ultrasound devices too http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/applications/ut-testing-gold-bars/
asciilifeform was not there, didn't see it, and puts equally much faith in this claim as in everything else 'pro Au' folks say.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think the pros only accept bars they personally melt
asciilifeform: (Au is a fascinatingly multi-layered bezzlecake. i.e., does your paper Au correspond to physical Au that you could redeem for? if so, what fraction? and if redeemed, how much tungsten in the bars? and if no tungsten, what will happen to you and your gold after it is known to be sitting in your pocket? etc)
asciilifeform: 'the key thing is it's something you cant mitigate against' << lol, atomic bomb ?
assbot: German Gold Stays in New York in Rebuff to Euro Doubters - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1EY0CI4 )
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-23/german-gold-stays-in-new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html << " “The Americans are taking good care of our gold,” Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democratic bloc in parliament, said in an interview. “Objectively, there’s absolutely no reason for mistrust.” " lol ☟︎
asciilifeform: it isn't like there's an Au blockchain to at least give some idea of when it moves.
cazalla: <asciilifeform> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone <<< today i learned australia has less gold than iraq
decimation: yes, and in fact I've done exactly that because it is rare to find properly sharpened knives in the us
mircea_popescu: suppose you carried actual cutlery. you can carry it back the same way. many problems actually solved.
mircea_popescu: well see, this is part of what im talking about.
decimation: giant mountains of trash aren't my problem :)
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, ok, but look at it. what do you do with the leftovers ? do you throw them out on the spot ?
decimation: as to whether anyone uses it properly is another point
decimation: although they have their uses at picnics, etc
decimation: mircea_popescu: you make a good point re: plastic forks - generally in the us they are supplied with low quality food
JorgePasada: All the shiny things are where they should be
JorgePasada: Just trust us!
assbot: Ukraine Admits Its Gold Is Gone: "There Is Almost No Gold Left In The Central Bank Vault" | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXYCiY )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-09-26/?msg=22344014&page=1 << fascinating smoke&mirrors job. these jokers do their best to make 'remote attestation' sound appealing, and obscure the actual raison d'etre of the tech (boobytrap in your own silicon against you, owner, in any and all cases) by spinning it as 'forbidden by usg'
mike_c: but i think it's smart enough not to trigger analytic scripts.
cazalla: i don't think ddos is counted
mats_cd03: i wonder how many bots contribute to those stats
cazalla: it even mirrors the bitcoin chart for the past year
fivezerotwo: how has qntra traffic been?
nubbins`: fivezerotwo what's your favourite type of cheese?
nubbins`: he can publish the article anywhere ;/
nubbins`: yeah, me too
cazalla: oh, i thought it was to stop others reading
fivezerotwo: cazalla, that is the point of the ddos lol
asciilifeform: 'How does he . . . can he, in fact, reestablish a sense of trust?' << lol!
mats_cd03: i wonder what tat wanted an army for...
mats_cd03: 19:59:25 <fivezerotwo> wanna ddos anybody? << a nice PM. whaddya all think? got any targets?
nubbins`: block 188470 and counting. man, this slows down.
nubbins`: "Police shoot families 137 times to get $3mm"
nubbins`: "Ruth strikes home run to win World Series"
nubbins`: <@assbot> Families of victims killed, shot at 137 times by Cleveland Police to get $3 million <<< dat ambiguous grammar
kakobrekla: seems to be some NS issue
assbot: Families of victims killed, shot at 137 times by Cleveland Police to get $3 million - newsnet5.com Cleveland ... ( http://bit.ly/1p0en75 )
asciilifeform: 'petertodd jrayhawk: it's interesting how more than one tor dev I've spoken too firmly believes Werner Koch - gnupg maintainer - is a NSA/BND plant with the goal of ensuring gnupg remains unusable (e.g. strong opposition to any attempt to make it into a library)'
mats_cd03: you have potential for the stage my man
asciilifeform: that there's - this.
asciilifeform: 6:36 AM it's rather surprising and counter-intuitive but it appears that (for now) the system is working as designed. or if there are compromises, they're so rare that they aren't worthy of mention in the NSA docs.'
asciilifeform: 6:36 AM apparently either they don't exist or the journalists who were able to report on so much else somehow missed it
asciilifeform: 'hearn: well i assumed that too when the docs first leaked last year. i kept waiting for the slide shows about the compromised CA's.
asciilifeform: which should suggest something to folks who are still 'on the fence' re: the concept.
asciilifeform: such as, it turns out that shitgnomes are rather enamoured of 'mathematically provable security!!111!'
asciilifeform: many things to be learned, though probably not what the participants intended.
asciilifeform: it is certainly worth reading the total log.
asciilifeform: r had to undergo considerable modifications. It could, in fact, no longer remain a tribal city.'
asciilifeform: 'However, their voluntary exile was short-lived. This structureless mass of people was incapable of creating a city on the model of that which they had known. Consequently they returned to Rome and after many struggles established themselves as citizens of the Republic. If they were eventually enfranchised, it was that they had become culturally absorbed into Roman society, but for this to be possible the latte
assbot: The fall of the Roman Empire · Edward Goldsmith ... ( http://bit.ly/1tb3bjo )
asciilifeform: it happened as the very complex roman religions were brought closer to the understanding of teh plebs << goldsmith's 'great u-turn' had a superb if very compact intro to this process: http://www.edwardgoldsmith.org/28
cazalla: i didn't up you knowing you were going to promote that shit
cazalla: undata, they? i only have one, not as lucky as some
assbot: Jim Robinson, Tim Draper Confirmed Bidders On Next USMS Bitcoin Auction | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykR73J )
undata: responding to earlier laments
undata: cazalla: it's awesome; they acknowledge they rely on you by complaining and deny it in the same breath
asciilifeform: cazalla: aha. guessed that some sort of proprietary bookmark crud was involved.
cazalla: asciilifeform, it's their version of Facebook's Like
asciilifeform: cazalla: i must confess that it remains mostly unknown to me.
cazalla: asciilifeform, my comment assumes reader has knowledge of twitter :P
asciilifeform: cazalla: favourited the qntra article << how does that work ?
nubbins`: i guess the coming home part depends on how good you are at making important life decisions ;p
nubbins`: the first half of that sounds like an unfettered nightmare
cazalla: nubbins`, could be worse, for example, forced to get up at predetermined time 5 days a week only to come home to same woman
nubbins`: cazalla sounds like the honeymoon's over
cazalla: A guy told me one time.. do not let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.. why didn't i listen lol
cazalla: there is nothing worse than having a beautiful, sunny morning tainted by a complaining woman!
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this, 1914 ?!
mircea_popescu: under the umbrella of the Ghee Kung Tong, identified by the feds as a de facto Chinese mafia organization. Chow begs to differ: “My organization is not what they call a secret society,” he says. “People misunderstand—it’s not a secret. It’s a private self-help group, helping people, our people. It’s about loyalty, trust, honor. As the chairman, it’s my job to help people.”