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mircea_popescu: ah but! we're talking of different things.
asciilifeform wants to know in what roman text these answers lie.
asciilifeform should like the answer to 'how do i grow single-crystal si in jungle conditions, how do i lay down dopant with ion beam sans high vacuum' etc.
mircea_popescu: the irony of modernity is that there's no shortage of answers. in fact, they're written generally a century ago. just... nobody [knows how to] reads.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I like your romanian poet/french revolution quote. It could almost be used as a motto for the west today
asciilifeform: where do you flee from the planet-devourer -if you want to do science- ?
decimation: heh true this
asciilifeform: note, there was a where to flee.
asciilifeform: the ones with actual education, went off to derp in aryan physics or annenerbe etc.
decimation: usg also stole the "having stolen science"
decimation: asciilifeform: reading about lysenko immediately conjures the 'stierlitz files' where all the nazis had a high-school education
mircea_popescu: mats but there please.
asciilifeform: in contrast, e.g., trofim lysenko's victims were at least intellectually-equipped to understand what was happening to them.
asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible.
decimation: yes, usg 'sat' on this stool too
asciilifeform: at least in the english world.
decimation: yeah one would need trained molecules
asciilifeform: once you clear away the usg grantsmanship, what mr. mold called 'scientocracy', you realize that actual science mostly 100% stopped around 1960.
asciilifeform: for this work.
asciilifeform: bacterium is almost as much too large as you and i.
decimation: yeah it is easier to conceive of trained bacteria who arrange parts appropriately
decimation: both of which are fantastic science fiction today
asciilifeform: unless some fundamental discovery enabling cellar chip fab were to be made
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, a 100% open fpga, produced in a thousand factories of mutually-antagonistic owners, is the one and only way to 'open computer.'
decimation: and it isn't 'movable type' in the sense that someone with a brain can arrange the internals to serve his needs
asciilifeform: which is actually more analogous to a teletype (slow, ponderous, you would not want to print a book's print run on it)
asciilifeform: the closest thing anyone has conceived off to movable type re: chip design is the fpga concept.
asciilifeform: back to chip thread, for a spell - we're roughly in the situation of ancient china, which had printing but not movable type
undata: something that replaces this piece of trash
asciilifeform: very vague, this.
undata: a guy wanting to write some code and keep a secret or two
undata: asciilifeform: how much money would you need to produce said computer and a suitable OS?
assbot: 10 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb
asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
assbot: HyperWar: The Machine Gun (Vol. I/Part II) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wixV6N )
asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes.
asciilifeform: the secret boojum of chip business is that anything whose production is inherently centralized to that degree, is almost divinely ordained to suck.
decimation: that and talented machinists would leave to 'seed' enterprises in europe & elsewhere
decimation: ironically the us got its start pirating machine designs from england
asciilifeform: but anyone involved in the patent of algorithms apparatus
decimation: certainly most of their sales are to usg's layer 2
asciilifeform: i generally tag all of the parties responsible for this state of affairs as agents of usg, whether they would think of themselves as such or not.
asciilifeform: technically if you were to write a logic synthesis tool today, from scratch, it would still be 'warez'
decimation: including the warez for design toolchain?
asciilifeform: costs no more than we're paying now to talk.
decimation: well, costs lifetime then
asciilifeform: not if you're the designer
decimation: actually the design work is way more than the fabrication
asciilifeform: even then
asciilifeform: other than for exotic circuits that reprogram selves, etc
asciilifeform: if you had cheap chip fab, there would not even be much reason to build fpga !
decimation: but that's almost science fiction
asciilifeform: there would have to be some rational mechanism to bring them into being.
asciilifeform: as in, usg can and will perish, but the widgets spoken of here will not magically appear.
decimation: no, the real driver is the expense of a chip fab
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced this is a usg-dependent phenomenon
decimation: as long as usg sits on the stool it will remain that way
decimation: unfortunately there is not much 'spare' capacity
decimation: that's something the russian billionare could help with
asciilifeform: at least, for a silicon chip, that cannot be made in a cellar
asciilifeform: the results must go into soviet-style production by the megatonne.
asciilifeform: it is never enough to reverse engineer a particular item.
asciilifeform: almost as much as the first (and last, and only) xilinx part that had open docs from the vendor
asciilifeform: i did tell the tale, of how on one occasion someone succeeded in mostly reversing a particular chip
decimation: they would probably just discontinue that line
decimation: maybe some snowden working for xilinix will release the dox one day
decimation: yeah whenever I hear "ip cores" I immediately think of all the legal bullshit that they are pimping to support their 'business'
asciilifeform: otherwise it would be a simple matter to learn how the mystery meat module works and remplement.
asciilifeform: and their ability to carry out this 'air merchant' trick is entirely tied to a maximally-closed chip architecture.
decimation: apparently the the prices they charge for these "ip cores" are highly negotiable depending on your account with them
asciilifeform: (where!? see, e.g, the 'rio pmp' early mp3 player.)
decimation: yeah I've heard it referred to as the "ip cores" market
asciilifeform: they virtually never end up in consumer products except as a result of extreme haste (rushing a prototype to market)
asciilifeform: this is because it is quite impossible, as i understand, to really make serious money selling the chips
decimation: it's a neat trick to time-warp into the future and murder your competitors in the womb
asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model ☟︎☟︎
decimation: yeah and copyright in the case of ms
asciilifeform: decimation: the midgets were exterminated, possibly before birth, by patents
decimation: it seems to me that if there were any midgets, they are long gone
asciilifeform: i will not only die of old age but probably manage to fossilize before anyone ever thinks of serving this market.
decimation: is this dominance of xilinix, ms, etc really a case of the 'giant' sitting on the stool?
asciilifeform: just as china (along with the rest of the planet) happily runs winblows.
decimation: yeah, it really is only useful for 'actual people' who want to research interesting digital applications
asciilifeform: for prototyping (the only thing they are presently used for) they are happy to buy the american chips and use their closed turdchains.
asciilifeform: don't wait for the chinese to copy fpga. they have no reason whatsoever to.
asciilifeform: decimation: after it, there could be no mistake as to the nature and motivations of the author.
asciilifeform: decimation: that line was a 'the mask fell off' moment in that article.
decimation: asciilifeform: "US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!" << USG generally has no problem giving commands to 'technical people' in its Vader Voice
asciilifeform: as i may have once explained, the chicoms have not done this and should not be expected to ever do it, because fpga is profoundly useless in a mass consumer product.
asciilifeform: a forcibly blown open 'xilinx' soft/hard stack would be a good start though.
asciilifeform favours the 'year zero' approach, but this is not news
mats: well, when the rocket leaves the pad, id be happy to join you in this prying
asciilifeform: it was called the ussr.
asciilifeform: and daring anyone to try to stop them
asciilifeform: incidentally, there once lived upon the good earth a group of people who carried on development of entirely open computer hardware, prying open closed turds whenever they felt necessary without even breaking a sweat
decimation: but his few $mil is too piddly to accomplish anything
decimation: yeah. if herr watson wishes to poke at modernity that would be a good start
asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly.
decimation: basically to even *start* to do anything will require someone like that russian billionare giving a shit
asciilifeform: because this is a situation where anything short of 100% is equivalent to 0%.