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decimation: I'm not sure welfare is
the proximate cause for black violence
b00lcrap: is
that why
there is so much black people crime in america
mircea_popescu: this means
they don't have
to make sense, or even consider
their actions.
b00lcrap: can u
tell me why someone hates bitcoin-assets so much
they wish
to ddos whoever joins?
kakobrekla: looks like someone from bitwin discovered bitbet comments and figured out
the math
b00lcrap: Mr.P how is life in
the southern hemisphere
BingoBoingo: I know. I learned comments from kakobrekla. By
this
time next year my soul may
too become slanderous.
joecool: mircea_popescu:
thanks, we'll make a post directing
to
the information
too
mircea_popescu: be so kind
to leave a comment once you fix it, it'll encourage other people
to do
the same i believe.
joecool: mircea_popescu: hey, one of my sites got a pingback from
trilema on christmas saying it was affected by
the pingback ddos, is
this still an issue in current wordpress? xmlrpc looks substantially rewritten since we initially worked around
this
ben_vulpes: the fewer
things
that are included in
the notion of bitcoinating,
the easier it'll be for nubbins`
to print and asciilifeform
to read.
ben_vulpes: anyways
the point i'm
trying
to make is
that desired wallet behavior is entirely orthogonal
to a
thing
that "bitcoinates".
mircea_popescu: with a 64k list one would have
the following problem :
the
tree of following
transactions 4 bits removed is... 64bit.
mircea_popescu: too many unsafe on weak entropy systems.
then again, whith a good entropy source, 256 or 65536 could be
the default.
ben_vulpes: which
then gets signed by bitcoin, given
the relevant privkey.
ben_vulpes: someone could even write a script
that
takes an input, a config file, and a desired output
to cook up
the desired
transaction.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "create 6 new addresses, split change on any
tx among
these 6, usingthe same number of nonzero digits as
the payment"
mircea_popescu: im not so sure
that predictable behaviour is actually ideal.
ben_vulpes: maybe i'm getting cranky, but
the "specify all important outputs, remainder is for
the miners" behavior of
transaction processing should never have been papered over.
ben_vulpes: the implicit "pull new key out of keypool (creating new keypair if keypool is exhausted), send all spare coins beyond
the explicitly specified mining fee
to
this new keypair" routine.
ben_vulpes: the wallet model provides cover for
the "no address reuse" hooliganry.
mircea_popescu: more aptly put, if
that's nefarious why do we even
think bitcoin makes sense.
ben_vulpes: anyways we're
talking reference implementation, not wallet for noobs.
ben_vulpes: plus
the whole "sendto" paradigm provides
the opportunity for downright nefarious behavior like sending change
to random addresses.
mircea_popescu: once you do
that, idiocy like bitcoind does with "accounts" and whatnot is a
tempting step away
mircea_popescu: at
the very least you need a safe enumerator of pubkeys.
ben_vulpes: yeah, why not? or check any of
the myriad blockchain explorers.
ben_vulpes: not fundation policy by any stretch of
the imagination, just my opinion at
this point in
time.
ben_vulpes: i'm of
the opinion
that facilities for btc handling beyond creating and signing raw
transactions are entirely unnecessary.
mircea_popescu: prolly would have been better if
they actually became an independent project and continued separately, but beggars/
mircea_popescu: people had been building "wallet
tools" as a bundle in parallel which eventually got merged into bitcoind sometime around early 2012
mircea_popescu: importprivkey is
trivial
tho, just not supported by
the gui or w/e
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
the moviefication of
the pynchon novel inherent vice releases next week.
ben_vulpes: discovered
that 0.5.3 doesn't have
the create/sign raw
transaction facilities :(
mircea_popescu: on
the
topic of "can irrational numbers
that are powers of rational numbers be written out as polynomes with rational parameters"
Azelphur: I did it, I'm curious
to see how mad whoever it is gets. :P
Azelphur: can I reply
to
that with
the wikipedia article explaining
that a HYIP is a ponzi scheme
assbot:
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thestringpuller: yea but I had an intense dream about snoopy and vince guaraldi, and
then
the second I log in your name is
the first one i see on
the stack
joecool: so is
there a new sploit in
the wild doing reflection attacks with wordpress? we got a pingback from
trilema but we don't have it showing up in our logs (and we don't show up in
the ones
trilema posted)
kakobrekla: >Maybe MPEx should offer end-to-end quantum access
to
the engine, enabling users
to submit orders with precisely defined wavefunction, instead of pretending above behavior is a bug and
trying
to fix it in vain or rationalize it backwardly. < lol
joecool: o hey one of my sites apparently was ddos'ing
trilema
ben_vulpes: it makes some amount of sense in a pre blockchain explorer world i suppose: 'how is one supposed
to know what
transactions are available for spending?' 'listunspent, oh noob'.
ben_vulpes: the wallets notion is actually dangerous
to noob minds. how is anyone ever supposed
to get a decent comprehensive understanding of bitcoin if it's behavior is wrapped up in
this pernicious notion of wallets?
Adlai: a saner approach (and probably what
the relevant laws actually say, rather
than
this
trite simplification) is
that some amount of
time has
to elapse between placement and cancellation, perhaps measured on
the "volume clock"
ben_vulpes: although it's right in line with
the bitcoin 'no backsies' ethos.
ben_vulpes: the notion
that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy
Adlai: scalpl executes approximately 0.1% of
the orders it places, i guess i'm fucked
ben_vulpes: watch out Adlai, you're in
their crosshairs now.
Adlai: "It was illegal for
traders
to place orders in
the form of “bids”
to buy or “offers”
to sell a futures contract with
the intent
to cancel
the bid or offer before execution." <- wat
assbot: FBI — High-Frequency
Trader Indicted for Manipulating Commodities Futures Markets in First Federal Prosecution for Spoofing ... (
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BingoBoingo: I don't
think
the word
the mean
to use was "shape"...
BingoBoingo: "Damn it why couldn't
this have been sponsored by Dogecoin? Can you imagine
the amazing midfield logo?"
assbot: gravesam327 comments on [Game
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ben_vulpes: too many pretty girls and
too many pretty wilamette valley wines
ben_vulpes: "i accept bitcoin with my personal
toolchain:
cazalla: he comes
to australia, shits all over our costco monuments and leaves
cazalla: thestringpuller, nah, didn't even ask
to go for a drink, fkn canadians eh
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, bitcoin would be how
this would be accomplished
today (assuming sufficient anonymization of
transactions)
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2014 05:25:17; asciilifeform:
there is, for instance, a legend of an occasion where it was necessary
to move several $mil in dollars out of
the ussr
assbot: blockchain - What happens when you send a
transaction
that ends up in an orphaned block. Is it recoverable? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... (
http://bit.ly/1H3gThT )
decimation: I assume all of
the
transactions in
the extinct chain are swept into new blocks from
that point forward?
decimation: asciilifeform:
thinking about my scenario earlier (two halves of
the world),
the real issue is
that
transactions need
to be communicated as well as
the blockchain
decimation: asciilifeform: all
the 'ceo' will accomplish hiring 30 'actual inventors' will be
to produce 30 disgrunted ex-employees
Apocalyptic: he meant people
that will presumably invent something worthy for
the company