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mod6: so, when mike_c gets a chance, we'll examine his closely to see if his does indeed exist. and it ~should~.
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/53d4fd7084d33b37d3d9b33d6a9b70e3/tumblr_o2qa8moHWK1u32iy8o1_500.gif << good ass is more than a state of mind.
asciilifeform: e.g. https://qualiacomputing.com/2015/05/22/how-to-secretly-communicate-with-people-on-lsd/ >> 'About 18 months ago I had a really cool idea: What if we could communicate with people who are high on LSD in such a way that sober people can’t understand?* I call this idea psychedelic cryptography (PsyCrypto for short).'
asciilifeform: re shells, lack of completion is the kind of screaming imbecility for which there is no justification-- you're already sitting in front of a machine, it could be doing 100% of the algo-trivial brute work. rather than 90% - worst of both worlds, bulldozer that still leaves you with 2hr of shovel.
asciilifeform: sorta how a kg of shit in your latrine is same as 1.1, but even 10g on your birthday cake is conspicuously sad.
asciilifeform: but answer is , digging a hole for 2hrs is sweaty work, but it isn't a thorn in what would otherwise be a flow state, the way missing tab complete is.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 23:34 mircea_popescu: he never had to dig a latrine, or carry the 3kg shovel you need to cary to be able to dig a latrine. consequently experience cost of that branch = 0
mircea_popescu: as all the things we don't know about don't exist, the choice is a no brainer yes.
mircea_popescu: he sometime once did have to type in a path and so the experience cost of that branch > 0.
mircea_popescu: he never had to dig a latrine, or carry the 3kg shovel you need to cary to be able to dig a latrine. consequently experience cost of that branch = 0 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-11 02:32 mircea_popescu: Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realta fuggivo, da lei, da quelle emozioni, da i sogni, da i ricordi, da tutto. E pensavo che dovevo dimenticare. Ero certo che sarei riuscito a dimenticare. Ma oggi che sono vecchio, che ho consumato banalmente la vita, talchè ho conosciuto tante donne che m'hanno detto "ricordati di me" e io le ho scordate tutte, ancora oggi lei, l'unica che non ho mai dimenticato... Sutakora Sassa!
mircea_popescu: the woman is ready to go. the boy wants her. but a boy is not useful and a man he is not yet.
mircea_popescu: what's he to do if he loves a woman like malena but she needs a man now and he'll be a man in a decade ?
mircea_popescu: not a matter of tard. matter of, must be this tall to ride.
mircea_popescu: you understand, for every fermat solver there's five trillion collectors, like http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a theorem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as best i can discern a major problem is that the people who WANT to do something about it are rarely the people who CAN.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly correct : nobody who decides to create a fixed point and call it government can possibly predict bitcoin wiping it. this follows from the definitions.
mircea_popescu: see, cuz the simple mind requires fixed point. so it'll pick a fixed point, and name it something, and the hell with everything else.
asciilifeform: didn't we have a case of 'if bitcoin worked, They Would Kill It' show up just the other week
asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the notion of people smarter than required to make a good pantsuit not subscribing to the narrative is you know, inconceivable.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is not a sufficiently adroit chukchologist to square this circle...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 19:13 asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them
mircea_popescu: no, instead he... becomes a gold bug.
mircea_popescu: the cowboy does not sumarily execute the dude, chain the dumb cunt naked to a pole, whip her bloody and have her gang raped by the local mongrels, and so to spend the rest of her life.
mircea_popescu: a, great film. anyway, summary : dude (ie, inept manchild) and actual cowboy compete for cunt. the cunt is indescribably dumb (really, just mouthpiece for ideological choices of author), picks dude. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how the goldtards etc react to realization that they are willingly powering a heat engine where , e.g., 1 btc is worth several years of their life, and organs
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu in steppes of ulan batur, 2030, horseman throws a sack at his yurt and speeds away in cloud of dust. inside : a head, and a pay addr scratched on forehead...
trinque: why'd a religious person want the responsibility of hard crypto anyway. he needs god himself to declare he exists; anything short of that, existential terror. what individual?
mircea_popescu: i suppose up to a certai npoint a desire to manipulate the future is understandable in animals.
asciilifeform: they're stuck not merely pre-rsa, but in a sense pre-babylon ( where the clay seals already offered some mechanical guarantee )
mircea_popescu: (as far as beat cop is concerned, there's a very marked difference between "this guy is a drunk!!" "uh... who is this woman ?" on one hand and "this guy is a drunk!" "oh yeah, well you're a whore!" on the other hand.)
asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i thought rothbard was a catholic dood ?
mircea_popescu: wtf i need a drawing of a smile ? why.
mircea_popescu: a well.
mircea_popescu: it's not my fault we have a lengthy yearn to unroll here, so take it easy an' help out maybe we get to something useful.
mircea_popescu: the quesiton was "i suppose at this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you to define it and you do. go ahead."
asciilifeform: ( the linked d00d has a severe case )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hear a chorus of slavegirls going "omfg your patience, is inhuman"
r0nin-: at the end of the day, bitcoin is a rehash of all the errors of gold except in digital format
mircea_popescu: i suppose at this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you to define it and you do. go ahead.
mircea_popescu: do you have a definition for "anti-realist" ?
r0nin-: matter gold is the substance that human beings have most irrationally desired, desired in a way most purely disconnected from objective reality.
r0nin-: The most pure form of anti-realist value is distilled and concentrated human subjective evaluation: value with no object. The only thing more pure than gold would be nothing at all, but of course even the most ardent anti-realist cannot escape from objective reality. Because he cannot store pure concentrate of human will in a vault, the anti-realist stores gold; because at least as an historical
trinque: r0nin-: there is a distinction between a sovereign person and a sovereign people, eh?
mircea_popescu: but, let it be noted that as i was eating a savarine writing it, it chiefly is a savarin preable.
mircea_popescu: i don't see it. is it also a savarin preamble ?
r0nin-: that is a liberal pre-amble
ave1: asciilifeform: but it works, and for me was a good way to review karatsuba code
r0nin-: bitcoin is just a rehash of murray rothbards primitive view of money
asciilifeform: ave1: knuth has a number of examples of 'derecursivizations'
r0nin-: a USG bond is just a time deposit
r0nin-: the private sector is a permanent net saver, the government supplies the 'asset' the private sector saves in
ave1: asciilifeform: are you still looking for a non-recursive Karatsuba? or should it wait until it is fully crystalized?
r0nin-: mircea: im a bond trader
r0nin-: fiat money is just a unit of account for debts, whats so difficult to understand here? claiming you can 'run out of fiat' is like claiming you can run out of 'meters' to measure a room
r0nin-: its just a book keeping entry
r0nin-: asciliform: fiat money IS a security
asciilifeform: somehow a centralized spamola token that can be magicked into existence in arbirary quantity, is 'same' as bitcoin ?
r0nin-: well i agree, the SEC has zero say with bitcoin because it simply isnt a security
mircea_popescu: r0nin- that end is not the problem. the problem is that usg has no better claim to ontology than a random wow guild.
asciilifeform: r0nin-: 'also true of in-game currency' did your mother drop you as a baby? or feigning retardation ?
r0nin-: bitcoin isnt a security
mircea_popescu: r0nin- re the "entitle", he rehashes (without attribution) a point actually made on trilema back in... 2012. http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.112
r0nin-: a USG bond is just a time deposit
asciilifeform: reads like a typical propertard
r0nin-: its a critique of crypto
asciilifeform: the 'waste' argument would be cogent if we were suffering a drought of cpu cycles somehow.
asciilifeform could perhaps qualify as a championship miser if he were richer
mircea_popescu: beleive it or not this is the logic i use all the time. what, you think rich people get a special science / engineering that works differently ?
asciilifeform: it is pretty strange imho to read mircea_popescu operating with the logic of poverty -- '100 horse suffices for standing at red light, why would anyone want a bugatti', '400 sq metres suffices to house a family' -- how is 4096b rsa any different ?
mircea_popescu: this is a sufficient reason to choose that value.
mircea_popescu: 4096 is the smallest power of two which produces a rsa key that is, factually, incomputable.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument is not even 'we must 8192!!1' but that 4096 is an accidental measure, like the volume of one particular bucket one particular child left on a beach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is EXACTLY not the case. i am saying "7.62 is sufficient, because it will blow a hole through man, as result of interplay of actual universal constants" and you are saying "yes but 15.2 would be bigger".
asciilifeform: that's where i was going, the fuckyou joe, that a 'hot' key may have a finite life.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear that there is a 'fix'.
mircea_popescu: but there shall never be a systematic solution for tactical failure.
mircea_popescu: 4096 is the largest power of two which makes a key that is incomputable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because it finds itself at a natural cutoff.
mircea_popescu: in any case, entirely incomparable items. yes, people do dumb shit all the time. but this doesn't mean people doing the right thing should do it once and wear a vest "to make sure".
asciilifeform: i dunno why mircea_popescu is defending a figure that came from wholly arbitrary, rather than natural, constraint ( 'what is fast on a uniprocessor x86 box' == 4096 )
mircea_popescu: the "two digit year" thing is incomparable to the 4096 bit thing, because the 4096 bit thing is backed by "the whole universe, if it set to computing, still wouldn't EVER get even close to breaking a key".
asciilifeform: mno. observation was re concrete cases where it is impractical to change a key. say, the parasitic radio item.
asciilifeform: we're scooping out a swimming pool with a teaspoon
mircea_popescu: which is what's contemplated here. "oh, changing keys (ie, buying house) is impractical. therefore, let us take out mortgage (pay a little evert time we use key), because it's less affordable but more accessible and the woman is too dumb to understand the difference and we're too castrated to not let her run the household)
mircea_popescu: understand asciilifeform : if you can't afford to buy a house in cash, this means YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSE. period. go sleep under the fucking bridge. and no, the fact that you ~could~ get a mortgage pay monthly DOES NOT!!!! make it now possible.
asciilifeform: other problem is that there is a small but finite probability of misfires in rsatron , such that would leak a bit.
asciilifeform: sorta why i put the effort into crafting a demonstrably bug-free constantimetron, first thing, rather than 'let's use gnu gmp with massive keyz'
mircea_popescu: yes, but my point here is that it is perhaps a defensible heuristic, but not defensible reasoning, to expect that just because p, q and p*q are coupled in that manner, any application to do with their coupling therefore informs you as to p or q.
mircea_popescu: by encrypting "hola bro" to alf's key and getting $result, i now know a novel fact about alf's key!
mircea_popescu: so there, "a novel fact"
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact the encrypted text will be decryptable by the key, yes ?
asciilifeform: sig gives you a novel fact re the private exponent
mircea_popescu: so, you publish a number S, and a pubkey P. the verification consists of doing S ^ P.e and checking that it is equal to the hash of the proposed message mod P.N
mircea_popescu: let us consider the proper signature scheme for a moment here ?
asciilifeform: conceivable that all rsa signatures leak fractions of a bit of key.
mircea_popescu: the argument for not using 2048 is already very far fetched ("but what if someone makes a computer the size of our galaxy, WHAT THEN!)