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asciilifeform: the beginning, we wish to continue the conversation and use this as an exchange of information, so I would say that amateur biology on the stage from the FBI's perspective should not be perceived as us taking the community seriously from a threat or security perspective, these are the whitehats in this room. It's our goal that we operate safely and securely to identify those blackhats if they are out there. .... we're from DNA 2.0. W
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean animated gifs, i mean paletted.)
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> also it's because i feel ashamed for not having thousands of hours of microscopy video already << i hope shame intensifies. but in any case : why the fuck wouldf you make it video.
phf: why i'd be the next genghis khan in my mind by now
phf: if i only i had more men to continue doing nothing with me
asciilifeform: 'oh and can i borrow the deathray too!'
mircea_popescu: i'd say that explains it then.
mircea_popescu: so where can i see today's slides ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone can be arsed to process them.
asciilifeform: all this international trade of drugs? You can't make any of the drugs we have right now in a clandestine way. You have to have giant tanks, or fields of poppeye. I have no idea what the effects of this are, but I think they are probably really big.'
asciilifeform: 'But I am more concerned about drugs, like methamphetamine. I think meth might be easy to synthesize at biologically active quantities with existing technologies. Why is this a problem? I'm not into drugs myself, but there are dangers. They are probably going to do it with a $40 yogurt maker, you do the engineering in a yeast... then there's a problem. This is someone who .. thoroughly deskilled at this point. It takes no effort to m
mircea_popescu: i said "Crack whore has a couch" not "crack whore will never light her couch on fire"
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists << Eh, back in summer 2014-ish FBI and Department of Treasury knocked on my door. I did the sane thing and blogged it.
asciilifeform: 'The question was asked if you guys would sell.. if you guys ordered with a DIY scientist, not affiliated with an academic lab, someone said- not DNA2.0- or IDT.. yeah, maybe it was IDT. I'm not remembering that because, if you are a bonafide science doing bonafide work. What does that mean? It means you're not on the exclusion list, and it means you're not a bad actor....'
mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone who doesn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i use propylene glycol.
asciilifeform: 'I would consider it irresponsible to sell a potentially dangerous composition of matter to someone who you don't know or haven't met. It's just bad judgement. Most of the people on that list are either folks with a history of exclusion for various fraudalent activities, either domestically or internationally, or people who might potentially being terrorists kinda environment, or folks who have published in North Korea, or who have p
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why the pantsuit actually thouight clinton is a star or at least star material.
mircea_popescu: "Weclome to the conference. I am the local WMD coordinator for the SF division. I've been working with the biocurious folks in SV. Welcome to SF, you guys have a great time, the weather is fantastic." in other lulz.
mircea_popescu: kanzure i can't discern much from this wall of links. can i have a three sentence summary ?
kanzure: ok i think you would be more interested in the time that the fbi weapons of mass destruction division assigned special agents to us
kanzure: i think there was an actual counter at some point
kanzure: ultrasound imaging requires a prescription in the usistan (sorry i forget your pet name)
mircea_popescu: how not ? it's a thing, silly name but i spoke it yest. lessee
mircea_popescu: kids do it all the time, "i have a professional tennis racquet, just like agassi". it's ok for a 15yo.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "if i pile up enough blue items to make a bower i'll thereby be a bower-biologist and science will frlow from me" is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: heck, i met this chick in cairo, she lived inside a perfectly empty hole in the ground most us solitary inmates wouldn't deem fit as a prison. she had six children.
mircea_popescu: i'm merely pointing out to you that no, you don't.
kanzure: i'm confused because it sounds like a goal
mircea_popescu: i can speak of Whatshername Horseface all the time. people know who i mean.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the irish guy looked just as ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: kanzure this jan 2009 log is entertaining. i take it the ongoing decade has not resulted in any "some random company needs us to design them some manufacturing assembly equipment. We say we'll do it cheaper (or whatever), we license it all open source and so on, make our money from it, and apply it to what we need to get done in our tech-base of free stuff anyway."
kanzure: keep reading. same day i wrote my dad's eulogy.
shinohai: I think the pattern looks like the chalk lines on the cloth when you go to get *fitted* for a suit
phf: err, i misread, that was the total number
shinohai: I tried the whole "find x in teh logz" thing for someone once, though it was not a matter of being lazy, it was more of my time is worth more than pennies to do so.
kanzure: i was going to pay someone to read logs and write summaries but they chickened out
mircea_popescu: past season, i also read a million lines. the machine is going, what you feed it is its problem, but it will be going nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: phf but in any case, i ~can~ read a million lines. take me a season, but then again what are seasons for,.
mircea_popescu: phf 1mn lines. i am currently trying to discern if i will. i have tools to help me in any case, some of which wetware ( eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 ) some of which not. ☝︎
phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log.. ☟︎
shinohai: I hear they lock you in a room and force you to read coindesk articles all day.
mircea_popescu: <@fenn> you could have a dialysis membrane in a microfluidic chip i guess << speaking of vaguely this : the great success of the new microflora research chips was so great it even made it to qntra! seems an eminently crowd-source-able item, in a useful way at that.
mircea_popescu: (honestly i'd prefer it if it weren't)
mircea_popescu: trinque ah, good i said something then. any strong reason for this ?
mircea_popescu: "please, may i wear high heels ???"
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403 << I didn't expect it to be used direct to address anyway, but rather to just change hands, then the other guy has to ask for a withdrawal ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (apartments, one above, one below. the one below had an electrically leaky stove, so i bought metalware and punished girlies had to make coffee on it. ZAP ZAP ZAP.)
asciilifeform: kanzure: i read the 'wizards' heathen logz, every few month, and know what it is that seems to occupy you lot
mircea_popescu: as i told the girl saturday, "i'll tell you when you ask!"
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware you had a such.
kanzure: how then would i maintain my reputation of overkill otherwise?
kanzure: i am bookmarks and so can you
mircea_popescu: had no idea i was doing any of that.
mircea_popescu: um. i feel liek teh bourgeois gentleman over here.
mircea_popescu: i just get a "x might want to be upped" notification, that's it.
mircea_popescu: uh i dun get pms. post it, what, it's secret ?
danielpbarron: yeah if they break something else i'll just dig it out of one of my working machines and apply the same treatment
mircea_popescu: plenty early. no, my expectations was you're stuck with dust, and i was going to offer you one so you have one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like i've read the d00d before, long ago. but can't remember when, and where..
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think a thinking man is any kind of ist. i think it's an affect, one could be a rationalist and then he's going to talk about occam and denounce causes, or one can be some kind of mystic, and then he's going to have a particular stance also. i don't think any of this has to do with with any sort of understanding.
mircea_popescu: kanzure mind asking him to come over ? i'll rate him anyway on teh basis of what i've seen
danielpbarron: shinohai, thanks to this latest annoyance i'm a little closer to understanding how such a mirror might work
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have 0 monopoly on asking questions.
mircea_popescu: so basically, either a slut (cock comes through the glory hole, i suck it, what do you want from me) or else a fanatic (allah told me!). otherwise, thinking man has no alternative but to be rationalist ?
asciilifeform: hey, i was cured. ( 'inexpensive' and 'portable' does not go with the mass you need for useful accuracy cutting even aluminum )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705282 << i think empiricist, but also perhaps a mystic would be another alternative, i.e. knowledge through divine revelation. i think perhaps also traditionalist, i.e. inherent knowledge ☝︎
mircea_popescu: on the basis of his authority (as i understand it) i can decode meaning out of words.
mircea_popescu: kanzure a ty. the reason i ask him is that i know him, you see. like in http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
asciilifeform: i thought that was catv
mircea_popescu: 14:43 < kanzure> i was just going through "the list" in my head (i don't really have a list, i'm just making things up that sound important) << ehehehe. this is becoming very alike that seinfeld episode where they had an opposite world and there was an opposte alf named fenn and so on. THE RSMT!!!
mircea_popescu: kanzure> i wonder if people just signed their work with leibniz's name as a way to get it preserved << your reference points are pythagoras and perhaps
mircea_popescu: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/
mircea_popescu: 12:23 < kanzure> there is a certain argument about not always throwing away legacy code, but i currently forget the exact argument << it was joel writing up netscape implosion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 12:22 <@fenn> how many lines of code is OCC? <<< see, he is asking the right question. i knew my patience will be dug back out from the hole by the unfolding of events!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704898 << well i was going to read that after the log, but since you put spoilers in there ima go read it first and continue later. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in particular phf what'd be the name for "opinions and actions based on "i don't see anything wroing with it"" ? still rationalist ?
mircea_popescu: i take it we're all aware how athens (ie, wisdom) was born according to the greeks, yes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea, examining his.
mircea_popescu: ("artist" = choiceless art producer, say like durer. or i suppose originally, zeus, "gotta get this bitch out of my fucking skull")
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:00 phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
mircea_popescu: i don't think that really even happened. i mean... WHAT PROOF DO WE HAVE
asciilifeform: i suspect that most of the 'golden cage' behaviour is unexamined
mircea_popescu: i expect this is factual.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, i'm against violence" "you'll get discounted out of existence in the marketplace" "uhhhh!"
asciilifeform: i can't comment, having not even a faint clue
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to wrap head around http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699945 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699946 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even false, i dunno there's much worth reading in english. i mean one can be done with twain and shakespeare in a summer.
asciilifeform: and the inevitably comorbid 'i know enlish, i Can And Have Read Everything There Was Worth The Reading'
mircea_popescu: i can't. it's as incomprehensible to me as the girls. a boy that dun wanna fight, really ? exactly like a girl that dun wanna fuck, i look at these like a dog looks at a painted bone. "nice work i guess lol. but..."
asciilifeform: i can grasp the psychology ( psychiatry..? ) of the california folx. yes, imaginary star drive or immortality nanobot pill is 'moar exciting' than real-life little board with fpga...
asciilifeform: personally i'm interested in the nondebian ones
asciilifeform: i've been saving it for end of Framedragger parcel of '16
mircea_popescu: a speaking of which asciilifeform i was meaning to ask, seeing how they keep popping in pairs : how many times as a % of cases is that when we pop a modulus we pop it for BOTH p and q ?
asciilifeform: hey, recall, g_l's 'fuck off with your old stolid newton, i will make UNIFIED THEORY!'
mircea_popescu: dude this possibly takes the cake. i mean the previous contender was what, something in basic physics. but this is...
asciilifeform: 01:28 < fenn> i don't know how to do that and not interested in learning right now
asciilifeform: lol, 01:53 < fenn> somehow i knew both these names and never put it together
asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-29.log << lulzy, i had nfi adlai wanted to work pr for us!111
mircea_popescu: i think the later author (iirc the sequels weren't written by the original, but some son or inheritor at any rate) suffered very much from the equalizing stupidity (ie, unaware of differences, thinking self equivalent to anyone) who then imagined "what people want" is "to have blanks filled in" and produced very much http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#selection-67.187-67.188