log☇︎
557800+ entries in 0.363s
mircea_popescu: so what, ended up with 70 dollar tampons ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah turns out some source mindlessly subbed "dollars" for "pesos"
mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, what's tampons cost ? inquiring male minds wish to know
asciilifeform: what is notable re: this particular bit of cpp cruft?
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/serialize.h#L90, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/primitives/transaction.h#L259<< "HAI CAN I JAMZ THESE MEFFUDS IN HERE GUISE"
cazalla: ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model? <<< done
ben_vulpes: hey mircea_popescu what's the going rate for a box of tampons in bsas? the "tampon shortage" is making the rounds on jezebe
asciilifeform: http://bit.ly/1xQEdwr << for the lazy, the scene described earlier
mircea_popescu: someone should take a yearling dromedary to a skating rink
assbot: The aggressive Nazi-bred cows that caused havoc on a modern farm - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxvhSj )
asciilifeform: (why he has rifle? no reason. just found it, while derping his way through the war, miraculously avoiding ending up sausage)
asciilifeform: one memorable scene. germans waste a village, shown in glorious detail (complete with barns nailed shut, set alight, etc, etc). on their way out, get ambushed and mowed down. including their hot chick nurse, but she's not entirely dead. hero (boy) walks along and finds this. takes a look at the chick, who is bleeding and looking seductively at him. then he sees bandage pack on ground. decides to bandage broken stock of his rif
mircea_popescu: dude what do they have against bielorussians! it's always them getting fingers caught in doors.
mircea_popescu: "During WWII, a Belarusian boy is thrust into the atrocities of war, fighting with a hopelessly unequipped Soviet resistance movement against ruthless German forces. Witnessing scenes of abject terror and surviving horrifying situations, he loses his innocence and then his mind."
mircea_popescu: kinda surprised there's not more art dedicated to her. i'm unaware of more remarkable women in the xxth century.
mircea_popescu: generally i think of the girl that poisoned her brood.
asciilifeform has the utmost difficulty picturing a female nazi other than proverbial 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz'
asciilifeform: not the having-money, but being part of that set, in my mind, is an indelible tarnish
asciilifeform: lanier, in particular, isn't a muppet, and even had a number of public good points (wrote at length re: the degeneracy of pediwikia, etc) - but, while reading his material, i continuously found myself asking 'why does this man have money'
asciilifeform: not famous for music. but happened to purchase a number of rare instruments, iirc, to pluck at while sitting on golden toilet
asciilifeform: strike that, entomological.
asciilifeform: best example i know of, of this animal, is one jaron lanier
asciilifeform: who imagine themselves 'lead thinkers'
asciilifeform: 'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: is it that wikipedia has found the bewst way to do this ? or is it that once they did it everyone can follow in that wake ?
mircea_popescu: obviously it will have to, it's a non profit. no issue with the substance. the form struck me tho.
mircea_popescu: sleeker than wikipedia's tho. the definitely web 1.0 look of gnu.org helps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i follow your link to gnu.org, top of the page ? a very wikipedia-ish request for donations.
mircea_popescu: that's how he fucking confuses thiel and kelly. they're all digested, right ? same thing!
mircea_popescu: check this out, the digested.
assbot: Digerati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y24LwW )
mircea_popescu: that was a bitcoin fork at some point too!
asciilifeform: i actually own a copy of, i shit thee not, 'webtv for dummies'
mircea_popescu: "an idiot's guide to cleanning your boots!"
mircea_popescu: what, they print army manuals too /
asciilifeform: come to think of it, orlov may have mentioned him once
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i somehow lived life and avoided learning that the fellow who prints the (now mostly junk) books with the animal line drawings on the covers is a demented sv sc4mz0r; or that morozov existed at all
assbot: Evgeny Morozov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8f6Ad )
mircea_popescu: no, it's simply looking at the life of one evgheny morozov. for you see stan, little zenja was a country boy that got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of anglo propaganda and intenrational diplomacy!
asciilifeform: pocahontas << is this the old russian prison quiz, 'fork in yer eye or once up yer arse ?'
mircea_popescu: lol i recall that.
mircea_popescu: here's a question, btw : what's better, to be running the proverbial taxi in new york ? or to be in a later generation, playing exactly the role of pocahontas to various ngos, "look at this nigger injun, how like our own kids he is, and how pretty in that dress!" ?
asciilifeform: re: rms: i vaguely recall that gpl was invented (conceptually) by his friend & associate, eben moglen
mircea_popescu: and ironically, it seems the old hands were right. it went to shit since then.
asciilifeform: aha because 'then may as well the breaking of the tablets, all bets off'
mircea_popescu: as late as 1880 it was held that such option is not on the table
asciilifeform: go and try reversing, e.g., design space shrinkage in engineering
asciilifeform: in one sense, jurists have things easy re: mortmain; they at least have the option of going 'no more'
mircea_popescu: but actually, as it was, with a view to its own self coherence.
mircea_popescu: not re-narrated with a view to make contemporary institutions meaningful and appear sensible.
mircea_popescu: s perhaps the most informative avenue into the ACTUAL history of this sphere.
mircea_popescu: hehe not wasted time.
asciilifeform: reminds of that mortmain thing
mircea_popescu: the traditional answer is no.
mircea_popescu: may you have now anal sex ? provided you both agree to it ?
mircea_popescu: if you get married, which is to say, BORROW a woman from her father, and swear an oath
asciilifeform: as mere aesthetic preference, i'd rather if folks were able to be honest with themselves and others re: their motivations. but i did not fight rms's war, cannot say 'he oughta have....'
mircea_popescu: so let's go further in the fertile soil (hint hint) of female simile
mircea_popescu: not that i think fsf's bad or anything. merely observing that peanuts aren't aeroplanes does not imply a hatred of peanuts.
asciilifeform: whereas cultivating 'sainthood', lame as it is, appears to have worked - at least for preserving his skin.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for whatever reason, things still are what they are.
asciilifeform: i suspect that he spun the whole thing as 'moral philosophy' because if he had readily admitted that gpl was merely a successful hack against usg's 'laws', he would have been killed.
mircea_popescu: pretending the contrary is fine, if one so prefers, but it's still mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: but these aren't a moral philosophy.
mircea_popescu: your " without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers" is exactly equivalent i suspect to what i call who are you again ? fuck off, I don't give a shit" sort of approach to third parties of any man owning a computer
asciilifeform: to follow the analogy, rms was offered computer that came with 'strings' - promise not to xxx, etc. went off to make own.
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't amount to much, if you examine it.
mircea_popescu: "but that's bad"
mircea_popescu: yes, as in lent to him.
mircea_popescu: suppose i make computers, and decide to not sell them. what now ?
asciilifeform: as in, lent to him ?
mircea_popescu: how's this rule sound ?
asciilifeform doesn't go in for the whole 'rights' paradigm and isn't terribly fond of proceeding in that framework
mircea_popescu: but this is a summary instead of the thing.
asciilifeform: rms was speaking of the right to do as you will with things that are physically yours, without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers
mircea_popescu: state the rms "ethical consideration" w/e it is. "nobody may forbid anyone's access to written strings" ?
mircea_popescu: yes. that if i write something on my slave's thigh, it's none of your damned business.
asciilifeform: slave's thigh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in one aspect. now make an ethical distinction / moral rule (really nfi why they keep derping about ethics, its all a moral consideration) that resolves that while preserving my slave's thigh.
asciilifeform: it's about the inevitable war of the state and its shitminions vs. the concept of the general-purpose computer.
ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model?
assbot: The Right to Read- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8dExK )
mircea_popescu: if i write something on my slavew's thigh it's none of your damned business wtf.
asciilifeform: arguably microshit is reborn in these other devils, much as ibm was reborn in it
mircea_popescu: and this for structural reasons, really.
asciilifeform: the thing rms was trying to kill in, say, 'right to read', is still alive and well.
mircea_popescu: and in the end it killed ms, but then... google was born, and apple was reborn, and here we are.
mircea_popescu: the situation was microsoft or go hang yourself, to which a lot of people who didn't particularly wish to hang themselves reacted as best they could,
asciilifeform: see the semmelweis example. it doesn't much matter that he advocated 'wash hands' because the cockroaches and spiders in his head told him to, rather than some better reason.
mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, all that's true.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: these are optional
thestringpuller: good for him tho
thestringpuller: an no she-devil at home to suck his life force away
asciilifeform: 'gpl' is a weapon. yes, bullet makes bloody holes in things - that's what it was made for. yes, bullet is dumb and goes in whatever direction for no really logical reasons it can explain. big surprise.
asciilifeform: he has some rather peculiar and sometimes contradictory logic behind the -why- of what he does, but so did semmelweis.
asciilifeform: 'Stallman complained that anything of good quality remains...' << rms is a counterweight.
mircea_popescu: not sure how'd that be said better.
mircea_popescu: i guess "important" is not the best word, as im discussing size-importance.
mircea_popescu: yeah, tellingly no mention of gates makes into morozov's thinking.