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trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708073 << and here I went all wait and see, lol! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: this is a fundamental problem, and a major irritant to asciilifeform ; he is allergic to "i'm not a hooker, i'm a priss dressed provocatively trying to crowd out the real hookers"

mircea_popescu: you know as well as i do that the reason your log lives on .log files is because all of you lot think you could, but none of you lot actually can make a sane log. that's what the random package a low effort search returned does, and that is what you get. same is true of all other items, either you found it at the walmart in the "diy" section or you don't have it.

asciilifeform: says the bright young fella who after $millions of payola (i'ma carry on supposing that it was from judasing for usg, esr-style, unless proven otherwise) and decade+ , produced: ___?___

asciilifeform: i dun expect to live to even see a good plague.

kanzure: on a totally unrelated note i promise, what exactly is your progress towards nuking california

asciilifeform: i bet he'd take an interest in the waveguide trunkmotor. if he had the sense to show up here.

asciilifeform: so far all i found was that ( respectable, imho ) hexapod d00d

asciilifeform: and no -- as far as i can tell - RESULTS

asciilifeform: there are yet degrees of wikirasty. and what i see there, gotta be the final degree.

mircea_popescu: i hope people of the future will come to the conclusion al-warmist was a sort of you know, al-gore from which algorithm was derived ; or al-kenny.

mircea_popescu: i dunno you need finely tuned, functional antennas to copy/paste github into "your" project.

kanzure: nah i strictly hold myself in higher regard than mircea_popescu no worries there.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708047 << i still get the ( perhaps mistaken? but not baseless! ) impression that kanzure ultimately assigns more weight to this selfsame weasel than to, e.g., mircea_popescu , on account of weasel having been anointed by, e.g., a.horowitz, and the latter still occupying the legitimacy-throneroom of his mind ( next to 'science', 'nature', warmism ) ☝︎

shinohai: i am dissapoint

mircea_popescu: i've the same sentiment

trinque: there's some bandwagon I'm not on.

shinohai: I like hoe kanzure rhymes with `Cancer` .... If trinque agrees it will make my week.

kanzure: i've never asked as much; is that important?

mircea_popescu: i didn't expect YOU wrote the pos in question.

kanzure: you think i have not implemented sats?

mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought this is self-evident.

mircea_popescu: yes, you can tell whoever penned that i said so.

mircea_popescu: I MUST BE INDEMNIFIED FOR MY DETRIMENTAL RELIANCE ON THIS!

mircea_popescu: i read once on a blogpost by legere-x (the world's first drop-out with a certificate) that you can divide things whenever you need to.

asciilifeform: deterministic machine ( i.e. where it is not acceptable for output to vary with phase of the moon and which elvis track 'voice of america' is playing ) entails ints.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:29 gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with.

asciilifeform: btw, i almost let this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707804 escape ! but no, it is worth reading , (if only on warez, dun give the crank moneys) this b00k -- starts with a VERY reasonable 'floatingpoint is retarded, here are 9,009 ways how' and proceeds to a... 'let's make a 9,000X MOAR byzantinely retarded pieceofshitstack!!' ☝︎

asciilifeform: shinohai: i was playing with the ice40 ~decompiler~ -- not much use in battlefield, but does give interesting picture of how your netlist ends up sitting down on the iron

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to encounter the pov that woz 'was larger part'

lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: <rinzler> hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:26 asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707920 << i was speaking of the greater, imho, puzzler, of the pre-ipod-apple product line -- the comps ☝︎

asciilifeform: i could see the argument for reviews of ~vintage~ iron ( we had a number of threads on subj, incl. the meat thread in c3 ) but that's about it.

trinque: asciilifeform: I just did

trinque: asciilifeform: didn't I say as much?

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:07 trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected.

asciilifeform: ( and no, did not buy a gabriel_laddeltron. though i did mail him a lappy, because he mentioned needing a new comp )

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << ftr, i watched it ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders... ☟︎

asciilifeform: it worx. ( blinkenlichts, couplea hundred universal i/o pins, schematic published )

phf: the sentece was corny, i meant that "i didn't buy masamune (because ..) but ron garret did"

asciilifeform: re fpga ( there were various 'i'ma throw something together, with 11 different closed dramcontroller, nic, etc from xilinx lib ) , a german, and i fughet who else, all similar

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:43 phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands.

phf: a good example of what i mean by "do something nontrivial" is baggers's series on CEPL "pushing pixels with lisp" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMV8p6Lb-bd6UZtTc_QD4zA which shows real time graphics wizardry mediated by an sbcl/emacs

a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform

a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632161 << i just didn't think the video was good. i also can install all the individual packages that are involved, but i wanted to see if and how the symbiosis makes you more productive

a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:58 phf: gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it

trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected. ☟︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << i've actually watched the whole video, and commented on it in logs. i'd like to point out that ~before~ watching the video i was making plans to fly to SF in short time to buy a masamune machine ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:15 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:12 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707760 << this is precisely why it doesn't exist : cuz people dun think it's a big deal per se, and so can't be bothered to do that before they actually build a disk device full of something they'd actually want replicated. which cuntoo isn't at yet. maybe just on the cusp, i guess. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: myeah. if anyone cares to 1 i'll take it off.

gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I have key, but cannot up due to the -1.

mircea_popescu: (do i have the right deGRasse account fossVERIFIED btw ? fat blondy ? or am i confusing ghosts.)

mircea_popescu: while im not proposing to ~necessarily~ encourage misbehaviours in soldiers, a poorly disciplined troop is the responsibility of the commanding officer and no one else. so no, i dun think much of the quality of authority over there in this context.

gabriel_laddel_p: phf: I really need to catch up on what you've been up to.

phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands. ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: at which point I was sort of curious what the fuck he did all day at google anyways

mircea_popescu: but it's there, i recall seeing it.

gabriel_laddel_p: incidentally, I remembered exactly where the demo to google earth guy went off the rails after logging off last night.

gabriel_laddel_p: "how do I get?"

trinque: asciilifeform: I've lost interest in this thread, all yours.

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I have seen this.

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: perhaps I'll be shown to be wrong.

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I'm telling you it is going to play out like that, and not in another way.

gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with. ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: it is unclear at this point what the hardware, real lispm implementation is going to look like & I have months of logs to catch up before I begin to even comment on this

gabriel_laddel_p: specifically, when I say "meet in the middle", a fixed CLIM will run just fine on new tsmr hardware reverse engineered fpga lispm with a minimum amount of fuss

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:16 gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707767 << they want a lispm. not a 'i can't believe it's not a lispm' ☝︎

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: let's put it this way irrespective of anything any of you say, I say the future is going to look like this:

trinque: didn't I propose you change tactics a while back?

gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think we're talking past one another here & have been for some time.

gabriel_laddel_p: and where can I buy a replication USB?

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above? ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: maybe I overcomplicated things,but wrote in terms of CPIO format then fed into linux kernel from syslinux.

trinque: I used to work on a thing that'd multicast images out. say 500 servers pxeboot, slurp image, reboot, post-deploy script runs, and your DC is up

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: first I had to nail down masamune replication. which I actually managed to do

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: well, I do work on this from time to time, yes.

gabriel_laddel_p: anyways, there is a lot more to address in the above log, but I did get the largest McCLIM backers to date to stop funding the effort. One of them bought a masamune.

gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: CLIM & ether have nothing to do with one another. you are remembering that I A) completed a bounty and then B) was not paid

gabriel_laddel_p: Separately I also defunded you to an extent, for the simple reason that you have no vision, nor communication ability, nor coding ability, period.

gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707683 < No, moron, I encouraged _you_ to use CLIM, because ☝︎

phf: i claim that my already abysmal spelling has degraded because i'm in slavland

phf: (but then so is franz's clim2, 150k or so, which i spent significant time with, trying to make heads or tales of its hairy object manipulation code, and that "9 incher" bit is apropos)

mircea_popescu: but then again, my "imo" is the producer's "imo", "imo you should be able to take that 9 incher up your ass, i've seen plenty of girls do it before." "that exact one ?" "well no" "up this exact ass ?" "well, you're new." "SO THEN!" "face down ass up already, time's money."

phf: it's actually pretty small. 150k or so if you don't count the dependencies. i believe that the mcclim team has pulled a bunch of builtin compatability layers and replaced them with portable "community" versions i.e. closer-mop instead of builtin mop facility (metaobject protocol for dealing with CLOS classes), etc.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:47 fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:43 fyr: I have like less than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707474 << i suppose this is where SFYR comes from. ☝︎

trinque: phf: I had a recent thread with the beach character in which "yeah, nobody knows what gadgets are for, can probably go" and so on.

phf: i'm not sure if mcclim can be "made better" by own hands, but i'm not interested in the direction the bounty team is taking it. i agree with ascii, but i think it could be attempted to reduce it to absolute minimum of moving parts, to establish if the design is fundamentally limited or not.