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phf: asciilifeform: you're reading selectively. _i_ was expecting
to see dirt yr+ ago,
there was none. it was
totally a waste of work
phf: asciilifeform: because presumably we both can discriminate
things, otherwise what is
the point of my lordship?
phf: asciilifeform: for fucks sake,
this whole argument started with me basically going "i'm going
to go over all
that i have and find bits
that are relevant
to your current work"
phf: you're constantly in logs, confused as
to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
☟︎☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: last year i made a bunch of scans,
that were almost entirely duds, you were as insistent on a release as you are now.
this would've prevented
this year's scans,
that are potentially more relevant
to your work.
phf: asciilifeform:
there's
this general position
that what you're doing, you're doing
to get yoursefl a running bolix clone, where's i'm just fucking around, which is bullshit. i'm doing
the same
thing,
towards
the same goals. it's not presently clear who's more successful. you basically want me
to unilaterally fuck up my entire operation, because ~last week~ you bought a macivory.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't know what you're proposing, because you haven't proposed anything. i've proposed
that i go
through
the dump, find all
the relevant bits
to your project, and communicate
them
to you.
this is apparently unacceptable
mircea_popescu: i don't even care, past
the (i'd have
thought obvious) point whereby specific lines of argument simply can't be brought.
phf: on it?" is
this not fucking contradictory. and now i'm basically in a position, where from your demands and impatience i'm presented with a choice "either do
this or you're out"
phf: asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about
the dump in
the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going
to dump
the whole
thing on
the internet", i've attempted
to communicate
to you
that further value can be extracted from
that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction
to
that was
to start
talking about whisperers etc. and
then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
☟︎ phf: i
took saeculum promises specifically
to assist with republican work. i
think
that dumping
this dump as is is short sighted, because
the dump by weight is garbage, and will
trivially identify all involved. i want
to at least evaluate what's in it
that can be of assistance
to asciilifeform, an identification
that became necessary only a week ago.
☟︎ phf: i don't know how you missed my previous sentence, none of
these people have "the dump", because
there's no dump outside of
the work i did.
phf: well, because i did all
the manual work
to scan
the physical papers,
there's litereally
three people who have
this dump
phf: asciilifeform: well not literally, but in
this case
the source will be
trivially identifiable
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 15:12 mircea_popescu:
to write about divinity interestingly, one needs
to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff
than is available at oklahoma public library, is
the
thing.
mircea_popescu: as it did bar
that scmuck ; so will it bar all in
the future.
mircea_popescu: any obligation outside
the republic is invalid ; any obligation
that conflicts with republican work is anti-republic.
this is some discovery ?
phf: also just
to clarify
the choice presented
to me is either i'm leaking
the dump, or i'm out?
phf: mircea_popescu: so
the principle is
that any obligation outside of
the republic is not only invalid, but actually anti republic?
there can be no compromise on
this point.
mircea_popescu: i don't happen
to agree, is all, but
this with no prejudice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am aware you
think it valuable, and i have no problem with
that, your business, how your lab works, enjoy.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 19:15 mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on
the internet, among which i read
to pass
the
time waiting for
the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether,
there's 0 interest in supporting
that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism.
mircea_popescu: and consequently, rather
than discover
this fundamental
truth later, discover it now, and save your own
time/
phf: mircea_popescu: i made
that point in logs multiple
times, having had a chance
to look at a variety "gold chests"
mircea_popescu: the discussion here revolves around your attempt
to introduce some kind of superior consideration, and im
telling you neatly
that if you
think in
this way
there is not now nor will ever be in
the future a place for you here.
mircea_popescu: the discussion here in no way revolves
the value, extant imagined or presumed of some idiots caches.
phf: asciilifeform:
there was no concrete goal until last week, when you decided
to buy a macivory
mircea_popescu: phf i expect
the accumulated value of
the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect
the entire value of
the whole bolix stack neatly approximates
the value of my stock of pogos.
☟︎ phf: my approach
to
this is
to find compromise, i've volunteered all
the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point
that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate
to him. is
this approach not acceptable? it seems
that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state,
that might or might not help
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: it makes exactly zero difference what peculiar form of "fatherinlaw/god/whatever"
the x
takes.
mircea_popescu: when you say "x > republic", you forfeit whatever
trust you might have had.
mircea_popescu: you are
trusted for as long as you behave in
the
trustworthy manner.
phf: so i'm not
trusted at all?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in short, you're doing a danielpbarron, and it's going
to go exactly as well as his.
mircea_popescu: it
therefore can not be
the case
that you can be uniquely identified as responsible for
the leak.
mircea_popescu: it can not be
the case
that you are
the only one holding whatever useles, worthless moth ridden crapola.
mircea_popescu: phf
this is
the republic not
the guardian ;
there's no yellow dots.
phf: asciilifeform: no, none of
the documents i have can end up on
the internet in
their current form
phf: you. you'll just have
to
trust me
that i'm not intentionally hiding
things from you, but making honest effort
to see what relevant bits are available.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 18:26 asciilifeform: phf i'm pretty curious how you got
the fella
to spill.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881853 << i was
the only person who showed up
to do dull, manual job, when
there was a need for it. i can't leak it because i promised not
to.
there will be no consequences for me, but i made a promise
to multiple people, for whom
there might be consequences, and it's not my place
to evaluate whether
that's
true or not.
that said
that doesn't mean
that i can't use knowledge
this way acquired
to help
☝︎ mircea_popescu: people born in prehistory don't have access
to
the future.
mircea_popescu: whether
the "spurious" set bits are shameful or on
the contrary, soothing, depends i suppose on
the mental age of
the observer.
mircea_popescu: i suppose older writers
told it in
terms of "the shame", "l'embarass". obects
that exist have
to populate
the whole array ; whereas objects
that do not exist get away with natural-language sparse existence
mircea_popescu: there's a certain carnality of existence. unlike
the ghoistly quality of emulation, imagination, etc.
mircea_popescu: not even specific nostalgia. people go
to museums not strictly because "oh, i recall my childhood of bering spartan!!!"
mircea_popescu: sspeaking of which -- i wanted
to play pinball. girls went all over
town. no pinball machine exists in a costa rican arcade.