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mircea_popescu: i hope people of the future will come to the conclusion al-warmist was a sort of you know, al-gore from which algorithm was derived ; or al-kenny.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only in a view where matters of strategy are open to engineers. this is eminently not how the fiat farms are run.

mircea_popescu: notreally. in fact, for meathead subclinical neurosis is a disease of least concern.

asciilifeform: upstack to 'subclinical' : for everyday d00dz, subclinical disease is a theoretical matter. but for one who fancies himself an athlete -- matters

mircea_popescu: "we aim to build a government out of trying to withhold all information from all those it is of any interest. WONT WE BE IMPORTANT THEN!"

mircea_popescu: a ? pretty cool.

mircea_popescu: incidentally, the deahtspital would be a very useful addition to the clinical system. open for ppl over 60, they give you a list of things. "hello mr smith. you're 68, and we can tell you that your kidneys will kill you in a decade, except your heart will get you before you're 75, and then there's this patch of skin cancer that needs like 20 years at your age. stay out of car crashes and sudden falls."

asciilifeform: there is indeed a world of new hurts waiting to be uncovered by the hurrdurrlifextension folx

mircea_popescu: as phf points out, a noisy engine that still runs nevertheless is still running.

mircea_popescu: kinda the signature of that particular churchlet, they have a list of beliefs that are mostly chosen for being dull.

mircea_popescu: he could believe orcas fly through the (1900s version of) ethereum at the behest of a burning goat's skull ; for as long as this strange array of notions doesn't get in the way of his daily life it's called subclinical.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708047 << i still get the ( perhaps mistaken? but not baseless! ) impression that kanzure ultimately assigns more weight to this selfsame weasel than to, e.g., mircea_popescu , on account of weasel having been anointed by, e.g., a.horowitz, and the latter still occupying the legitimacy-throneroom of his mind ( next to 'science', 'nature', warmism ) ☝︎

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and who somehow expects nevertheless he;s better than the 80bux a trick costa rican whores./

a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.

kanzure: can you make a more specific complaint

mircea_popescu: kanzure that he's not qualified to do things with his head, look for a plumber job.

mircea_popescu: the part where he ACTUALLY isn't so qualified not a problem.

mircea_popescu: i read once on a blogpost by legere-x (the world's first drop-out with a certificate) that you can divide things whenever you need to.

mircea_popescu: not so much of a problem, finally got native reals.

asciilifeform: ( FUCKGOATS in important sense was a reverse-gear of this process )

mircea_popescu: it's not even a positive matter. machine can only have ints until we build a radically diff machine

mircea_popescu: a

asciilifeform: it is a priceless artifact of 'psychoceramics'

asciilifeform: btw, i almost let this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707804 escape ! but no, it is worth reading , (if only on warez, dun give the crank moneys) this b00k -- starts with a VERY reasonable 'floatingpoint is retarded, here are 9,009 ways how' and proceeds to a... 'let's make a 9,000X MOAR byzantinely retarded pieceofshitstack!!' ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1) it's obviously unidirectional a->b, yea 2) aite

asciilifeform: hey, when competitors have a habit of cutting off own heads -- almost as good as greatness!11 or sumthinglikethat

asciilifeform: d00d designed a pcb, and wrote a basic for 6502, and afaik ended there

mircea_popescu: anwyay, my point being that wozniak was not the larger part of a woz-jobs team.

lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: <rinzler> hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is.

asciilifeform: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707910 and g_l , this is actually sop in large industrial equip. -- NOBODY ships $500k robot and 'oh hey here's a stack of cd, install on a winblowz box of your choice', they ship with pc ( and usually display, even ) ☝︎

trinque has a keybinding to unbind :p

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:26 asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders...

asciilifeform: phf et al : to briefly continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707895 -- picture an a4-sized plinth, of, e.g., 32 dimm slots. each can contain a card of sram, or alternatively of 4 ice40-8k's, or some peripheral ( e.g. nic magnetics. ) ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:37 mircea_popescu: media buying. apple survived by being a judicious media buying company.

asciilifeform: i could see the argument for reviews of ~vintage~ iron ( we had a number of threads on subj, incl. the meat thread in c3 ) but that's about it.

trinque: nor to publish a list and say "ohai NSA, here's the list of hardware we all chose from your catalog" eh?

asciilifeform: it is like listing all of the bullets inside torso of a man who was machine-gunned

asciilifeform: imho it is not even a very rewarding activity, to catalogue'em all

mircea_popescu: media buying. apple survived by being a judicious media buying company. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:07 trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected.

asciilifeform: ( and no, did not buy a gabriel_laddeltron. though i did mail him a lappy, because he mentioned needing a new comp )

asciilifeform smiles the smile of a lazy man -- dun have to do nuffin'

asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders... ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( rather like xilinx, if you're a reformed xilinxist )

asciilifeform: re fpga ( there were various 'i'ma throw something together, with 11 different closed dramcontroller, nic, etc from xilinx lib ) , a german, and i fughet who else, all similar

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:43 phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands.

phf: a good example of what i mean by "do something nontrivial" is baggers's series on CEPL "pushing pixels with lisp" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMV8p6Lb-bd6UZtTc_QD4zA which shows real time graphics wizardry mediated by an sbcl/emacs

mircea_popescu: he's not getting a 1 is he.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform

a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:58 phf: gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it

trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected. ☟︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << i've actually watched the whole video, and commented on it in logs. i'd like to point out that ~before~ watching the video i was making plans to fly to SF in short time to buy a masamune machine ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:15 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707760 << this is precisely why it doesn't exist : cuz people dun think it's a big deal per se, and so can't be bothered to do that before they actually build a disk device full of something they'd actually want replicated. which cuntoo isn't at yet. maybe just on the cusp, i guess. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:10 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem

mircea_popescu: while im not proposing to ~necessarily~ encourage misbehaviours in soldiers, a poorly disciplined troop is the responsibility of the commanding officer and no one else. so no, i dun think much of the quality of authority over there in this context.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays

phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands. ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: he thought 100k loc in one language vs. ~30 million in 20 languages wasn't a big deal.

gabriel_laddel_p: the author saw it, "whoa, a lispm!"

phf: gabriel_laddel_p: you're moving targets though. if you're building a tmsr linux nobody's going to fault you, but if you're going to approach a bunch of lisp heads with a half assed sbcl environment on a unix machine and tell them it's a "lisp machine", expect nothing but contempt

trinque: danielpbarron is offering a gentoo lappy iirc.

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: or do you disagree with his judgement that such a thing is necessary?

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: anywyays, this seems obvious to me. MP has been asking for a tsmr linux for years. if you all have had it floating around FUCKING RELEASE.

gabriel_laddel_p: there are however, a number of issues, such as a how to get rid of floats & what to replace them with that can be safely engineered on the unix-not-even-lispm

gabriel_laddel_p: specifically, when I say "meet in the middle", a fixed CLIM will run just fine on new tsmr hardware reverse engineered fpga lispm with a minimum amount of fuss

trinque: and how does having a lisp userland atop a massive C kernel help?

gabriel_laddel_p: this is essentially what masamune is, admittedly in a ragged & impoverished form, right now, today.

gabriel_laddel_p: no emacs, but rather a CL editor & so forth.

gabriel_laddel_p: first concrete step towards sane computing is a tsmr gentoo that is A) self contained B) infectious / replicates as described above C) uses CLIM for all graphics.

trinque: you do not have a declarative relationship with the future

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:16 gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707767 << they want a lispm. not a 'i can't believe it's not a lispm' ☝︎

trinque: yes, dumb fucking kid, still. and a drug-addled wreck to boot.

trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: right there, you presume to tell asciilifeform whether he "gets a pass"

gabriel_laddel_p: shinohai: in particular. ascii gets a pass for writing loper_os

trinque: didn't I propose you change tactics a while back?

gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm ☟︎

gabriel_laddel_p: and where can I buy a replication USB?

gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem ☟︎

trinque: I used to work on a thing that'd multicast images out. say 500 servers pxeboot, slurp image, reboot, post-deploy script runs, and your DC is up

trinque: duplicating the contents of a block device is trivial.

gabriel_laddel_p: (single function call generates a USB that boots into a CLIM environment, no version changes, ever)

gabriel_laddel_p: incomplete, yes, but there are some fundamental things in CLIM that need to be fixed, such as the notion of a parallel type heigharchy for presentations.

gabriel_laddel_p: anyways, there is a lot more to address in the above log, but I did get the largest McCLIM backers to date to stop funding the effort. One of them bought a masamune.

gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: CLIM & ether have nothing to do with one another. you are remembering that I A) completed a bounty and then B) was not paid

mircea_popescu: a-popo s in any case :D

phf: it's actually pretty small. 150k or so if you don't count the dependencies. i believe that the mcclim team has pulled a bunch of builtin compatability layers and replaced them with portable "community" versions i.e. closer-mop instead of builtin mop facility (metaobject protocol for dealing with CLOS classes), etc.

mircea_popescu: your notion that you can be a person outside of the wot is you know, exactly like cumdumpster bimbo's notion anyone notices, cares, or recalls.

mircea_popescu: that's also by definition. we actually don't attach identity to ghosts, liberally confuse them with each other, treat them as "a different" ghost whatever.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:47 fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707469 << afaik this isn't supported by either theory or practice. the harm is exactly same. besides, what'd the negative harm attach to ? the lost identity can't confirm the losing by definition, and a different identity can't attach anything to the original also by definition. so... ☝︎

trinque: phf: I had a recent thread with the beach character in which "yeah, nobody knows what gadgets are for, can probably go" and so on.

mircea_popescu: twelve year old boy gets a bike because otherwise the cool kids won't let him hang with them ; and if they do not his whole fucking life is forfeit, as a factual matter.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707467 << twelve year old boy does not get bycicle so as to avoid "threat model" of laser shooting wolves and flying tigers and boxing bears with a negro's penis oh my! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: (if you're interested by the literalism, "for merit" is one of two ways in which a case can be adjudicated. the other one is on form, such as through lack of standing, lack of jurisdiction, etcetera.)

mircea_popescu: possibly not. language perhaps a factor. but i dun speak polish sadly.