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asciilifeform: mine took more than a week
rothbart: I'm still busy dumping my bcrash safely; but a friend and I will be buying a few once we're done :)
asciilifeform: rothbart: ( summary : we discovered that gpg is a turd, and is to be burned down, not encased in iron )
asciilifeform: rothbart: it mutated into a different item, FUCKGOATS
rothbart: I've registered a public key with the bot, but haven't verified it yet (key was generated on GPG4Win) - should I start over from my Linux box, with a new public key?
mircea_popescu: and they do a sort of by-hand injection into hand-made molds, yes.
mircea_popescu: ie, a dentist's lab out of ten probably has a graybeard who could make you the keys for pay. considering what the item costs irl, prolly >1k <10k for the whole key set.
mircea_popescu: but way the fuck cheaper than making plastic injection molds for a run of one.
asciilifeform: this, i would buy for kbd. but it is not a low-tech item, not the least bit a 'simply bake, like a pot'
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, fake teeth are a metal cap with a porcelain top. very wear resistent, you chew 30 years on them)
mircea_popescu: yup. except not cost effective so far, porcelains have a century of refinement in dental prothesis supporting them
mircea_popescu: anyway, only reason dentist doesn't bake you a new dentine layer is the temperature involved ; in a lab you can make arbitrarily large un-enammeled tooth.
mircea_popescu: yes but why specify a dubious source for it. you want tooth, beat up some antifa hipsters, take their teeth make kbd.
mircea_popescu: (all teeth are the same material, be it a lizzard's or your mom's ; it's a calcium hydrated salt.)
mircea_popescu: i doubt you saw a piano that had non-bachelite keys
mircea_popescu: but a kg of mother of pearl is cheaper to get than a kg of useful slavegirl. put some shell in a tank.
mircea_popescu: the important point, however, is that nacre has a young's modulus as high as 100. (young modulus being a reasonable measurement of an aspect of intuitive "brittleness".)
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 19:31 asciilifeform: upstack : i've dropped a wrench on my model-f keys, and 0 chipped.
mircea_popescu: if you make your key of ebony or some other high quality wood and the letterface out of say mother of pearl, you have a very good wear profile item as well.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, wood is a plastic is the key to ANOTHER side of "you didn't read up on your art in college, you lose" surprisebox. because yes, wood will do the "Doluble injection cast mold". it was the arab world equivalent of chinese china. look up "mother of pearl"
mircea_popescu: in this discussion wood is a plastic. and other such intuitively-surprising items.
asciilifeform: ( these are not even fully disjoint concepts; there is even such a thing as 'metallic glasses' )
asciilifeform: take iron, and get fatigue -- vs -- take ceramic, and get brittle - is a very real engineering tension
mircea_popescu: a fine example : porcelain does not swell. metals dilate significantly. suddenly, a different sort of brittle emerges.
mircea_popescu: the reason steel loses out is that the carbon is a shittier oxigen (more valences, weaker valences) and iron a dubious silicate.
mircea_popescu: the microscopic reason it is such a strong material is the oxigen-linked silica crystaline patterns that form.
mircea_popescu: glass is a kind of porcelain for the needs of this discussion
mircea_popescu: so you have your letterface "A" made out of gold and then the porcelain put around it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is no 'switch', there is a piston fitting a barrel
mircea_popescu: you can formulate porcelain so it adheres to a metal lattice stronglier than the actual metal!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not grout, but individually lapping on a lathe. nasty.
mircea_popescu: and what is a spine, or fractured ribs with thereby fine points.
mircea_popescu: (if you think "oh, man-pizza is soft np" have your girlfriend fall a coupla feet on top of you from say a fuck sling, get back to me.)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> foot is not a shock << Not everything that consitutes foot traffic is footsteps
asciilifeform: if you wouldn't bolt it to a kalash -- it is too brittle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything is a shock to some degree!
asciilifeform: foot is not a shock
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> problem is brittle. << Porcelain has a range of possible brittles. There are procelains sufficiently not fragile-brittle to take substantial foot traffic
mircea_popescu: and thus the question was very much in a similar vein to your kbd from before ; and the last time in human (ie, european) history this was the case.
mircea_popescu: rather than a mass endeavour.
mircea_popescu: the point being, that this here thing you've stumbled upon is actually a humongous cut branch of the tree of engineering.
mircea_popescu: you know what a faberge egg is for instance ? ☟︎
trinque: "she has to fuck well, whether or not dropped off a building!"
mircea_popescu: and thjis for a very good reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware your design envelope was going to randomly expand to "i want a wrench droppable kbd now too".
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: is trying to slip into the crack between 'science, indisputable facts!' and 'can't make a sword blade out of ceramic dummy, wrong situation'?
asciilifeform: upstack : i've dropped a wrench on my model-f keys, and 0 chipped. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: we weren't discussing an application ; we were discussing a fact.
ben_vulpes: different ~everything; what, make me a strand of wood fiber as thin as spider silk and let's test it
mircea_popescu: it is a very uninformed argument. in point of fact the "Fragile" spider web is one of the strongest materials known.
mircea_popescu: understand : if you spent your million dollars to buy knight's sword, it came with a "will not make it 20 years" guarantee. if spent same million dollars to buy china set, it came with "forever as long as your family line shall be" guarantee.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oxidization plays a role in the loss of steel
asciilifeform: ( a la ferrocement )
mircea_popescu: every material is to a degree brittle much like every material is to a degree warm.
mircea_popescu: possibly not a good fit for kbd depending on how hard you hit.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712538 << this is not a bad point, showing a fine understanding of the history of huma nthought. fabrication of wear resistant small pieces went through a century old porcelain phase yes. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "Elaine Ou is a blockchain engineer at Global Financial Access, a financial technology company in San Francisco."
asciilifeform: goal is, state a modular multiplier , takes A, B, N, (each is a B-bit number) and yields a B-bit result R, where R = a*b mod N .
asciilifeform: it's a mathematical problem purely
asciilifeform: forget for a moment ada
asciilifeform: speaking of which, and before it gets lost upstack, i still dun have a modular mult
asciilifeform: it is a deliberately crafted insult to actual people.
asciilifeform: would you eat from trough made for a pig ? that's what using plebekbd feels like.
asciilifeform: i spend 14+hrs/day with the thing in my hands, and it makes a difference.
ben_vulpes: every man in teh failed states of americastan gotta pick which things to salvage from the midden to cobble a life together from.
asciilifeform: this is a minimal bar.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could etch the letters in; carve them out with a cnc mill. 'tis not the end of the world.
asciilifeform actually owns a vulcanized rubber kbd, it is in machine shop
asciilifeform: ( and if you make it not propagate - you automagically get a thing that I WILL NOT USE because it ain't propagating to my fingertips )
asciilifeform: understand, i dun use 'squishies', if every key dun sound like a kalash dryfiring, it ain't a keyboard
BingoBoingo: What are you banging it into that it can't be keycap on top of fiber cement subcap? (i.e. like a floor)
asciilifeform: if you wouldn't make a hammer handle out of it -- it makes for poor kbd material.
asciilifeform: not even sintered ceramics, a la what my lathe cuts with, like shocks
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 19:45 asciilifeform: forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width.
asciilifeform: in other non-noose, asciilifeform still searching for a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696834 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: for humanlang textentry, even a very threadbare kbd is notbad
mircea_popescu: yes, but in point of fact i write as much or more as anyone, on a kbd.
asciilifeform: nah i know a buncha folx who dun care at all. they work with... pens
mircea_popescu: (note that all key arrangements, from atms to dishwashers, are in a rectangular pattern ; and i expect alf wants them radial or something)
mircea_popescu: it's not a sport. it's you know, service. worship.
mircea_popescu: nightmare of a problem. what else you got ?
mircea_popescu: this is a very difficult problem, arbitrarily placed keys.
asciilifeform: ( lettering, to an adult man, on a kbd -- is optional. how often do you look ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 03:34 trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
asciilifeform: the only known satisfactory method is called double-shot injection molding, where the letter is cast ( yes, physical shape, e.g letter A ) and then key is cast ~around~ it
mircea_popescu: ie, when at the height of soviet obamacare you broke your leg and your mother made you an ad-hoc wooden contraption to fix it, she DID in fact bespoke you a traction, even if it sucked so bad as to compare negatively to african healthcare.
asciilifeform: in thread, 'model f' is approx. a top hat.
asciilifeform: you would if you wanted a top hat!11
mircea_popescu: but i've yet to have a special textile plant made for it.
asciilifeform: plox to concretize : when mircea_popescu goes to get a suit made, what kind of fabric does he specify ?
mircea_popescu: there's a substantial difference between "i don't like this" and "this doesn't compare favourably to rando coworker's item". these two can never mix. this isn't sophistry, but plain sense.
asciilifeform: no amount of sophistry will justify a bespoke rollsroyce with soviet pistons, or a bespoke kbd where letters wear off .
mircea_popescu: because it's not a relative.
mircea_popescu: gimme a break. the letter A isn't your invention.
mircea_popescu: eh, qty of one. "omfg, do you know what it means to make a planet on which snakes might evolve so as to have material FOR BUTTONS?!?!?!"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 06:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712394 << easier to make a kbd than to make a suit. "bespoke bicycle", outside of say zagreb, is entirely "organic" scam item.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712434 << this is hilariously, riotously wrong, btw. doyahave anyfuckingidea what is involved in making a DECENT ( i.e. injection-molded parts ) kbd ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu aspires to one day meet a chick by the name o' shennaniganne o'sheridan.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 03:44 asciilifeform: if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712394 << easier to make a kbd than to make a suit. "bespoke bicycle", outside of say zagreb, is entirely "organic" scam item. ☝︎☟︎