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Mocky: unfortunately my cpp skills are not there yet
Mocky: yes, a more resilient design is much needed for the bot. it also needs to get out from under the thumb of the ps event/thread model so that adding capabilities doesn't require crimes-against-humanity levels of extra code in order to approach resilience
stratum: I do not recall any skeptical talk about rsa, though, I do think https can be valuable in attempting to mitigating some issues one may encounter, this is true.
asciilifeform: stratum: let's hear about this ?
asciilifeform: stratum: y'know there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log/
stratum: i am a real person who has seen the wonderful dpb spread the gospel and came here to watch
mircea_popescu: stratum and who might you be then ?
asciilifeform: oh hey talks
mircea_popescu: from the gimme a second ima clean up this bimboconvo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the 'steam engine is 'the workerz' 'but minus the drinkin' and unionizin''' pov ?
mircea_popescu: (and yes, republican bot is ==== imperial "we the people", no question about it.)
mircea_popescu: there's no serious reason to write our poor people in the way THEIR poor people would like our poor people to work [for the transparent reason that thusly, our poor people won't outcompete and drown out their poor people].
mircea_popescu: obot sent to broom will broom individual items" sorta bs.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
mircea_popescu: specifically : the oldest illustration of "robotics" in the charlie chaplin deeply misguided http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043874 approach (and yes, i am very unimpressed by charlie chaplin as the "intellectual great" pantsuit make him out to be, specifically because this sort of deliberate stupidity to cater to pantsuit nonsense dun count as wisdom) is an amelia bedelia-esque "person sent to broom will broom the room, r ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 15:31 asciilifeform: mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job
asciilifeform: briefly upstack to the archaeologies : switched on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883853 device, and it worx a++++, simulates cdroms even (arbitrary # of'em) , and hdds, etc ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's a good principle in there we're digging out.
mircea_popescu: Mocky but the important part is "resilient design" so to speak : it should keep polling after doing what it thought it did. same exact thing as with the "put stuff in inv" : put all you find of the type you're putting, if you miss some on one cycle, catch up on next. sorta thing.
Mocky: oh hey, never thought about multiple skill dings, I'll note
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 17:01 diana_coman: cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol
mircea_popescu: anyone knows who this is then ?
lobbesbot: Mocky: Sent 19 hours and 34 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> further issue with bot for your list : if it dings two skills, it only trains one. really it should have a check ~before~ crafting whether it can do any skill upgrading somehiow.
asciilifeform: i admit that i'd be delighted to see apeloyee return ; he was '9000 level' useful d00d.
mircea_popescu: anyway, many people took yearish hiatuses, mats recently emerged after a slumber for eg.
asciilifeform: only that he hasn't been seen since...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i do not know whether he tuned out entirely, or lurks, or which.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:59 asciilifeform: given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884081 << any reason you believe this ? (i have nfi, there's some obligation to participate in the sense of weighing in on decisions for the lordship, but afaikl dude never was/wanted to be, and for the citizenry at large there's no such thing is there ?) ☝︎
asciilifeform: largely archaeological interest ( tho he also has some 'modern-day' items, bypasses for winblowz 'seekoority', etc . overall surprisingly high snr. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well ~that~ d00d has dec. and even dec vax, and ports various soft to'em.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:49 asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884068 << i don';t expect any of the ten thousand fly eyes has a dec, ever had a dec, or can come up with any actual use for a dec. or for that matter care to know whether their code doesn't work at all. different paradigm!!! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe, but maybe deep link to the something useful.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:36 diana_coman: well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884059 << yes, but he gotta invent problems for himself. which he does at an amazing rate, ~comparable to his capacity for solving problems. after all, stability is self-enforcing. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can count on fingers of 1 hand how many times i dig up on 'lone man net' sumthing useful, in a yr
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 14:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884048 << oh i see. i just saw a "omfg my traffux" dork "blogger" typical piece, the numbers seemed low for a month of amateur bloggership so had to take a 2nd look, turned out they're FOR THE YEAR, what can yo9u do. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i won't know whether the 'constanttimeism litmus' actuallyworx, until i dredge up an iron where it outputs negative
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 01:22 asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~
asciilifeform: they're nifty boxes, in some ways (e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877067 , and the mobo slides in and out without tools ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in other news, i look at the time, and it's 13:37.
mircea_popescu: next we're going to dig up a 1990 era soviet stolen sub to run it on their handcranks also.
asciilifeform trimmed iron stash down to 2 'alphas', 1 runs barbaric 'tru64' (for that bolix emulator), 1 nao set up for 'ffa on arch that aint x64 or arm' tests laters
asciilifeform: and guten tag mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: the spindle sounds like dental drill, the head motor -- like door buzzer.
asciilifeform: 1 of those 15,000rpm scsi items. ( 'alpha' is moar or less the 'money no object' box from late '90s-early-2000s, tended to have the most outlandish periphs
mircea_popescu: jesus that was the era of loud hdds
asciilifeform: that thing has stupendously loud hdd, incidentally -- i can hear it from three rooms.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:48 asciilifeform: btw, to round off yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884041 , culprit is https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg08419.html ( 12 yrs! and still not fixed, apparently. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884066 << aand to properly round off the thread, that box nao runs openbsd ( which worx 100% ) , for nao. ☝︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/france-macron-arrests-particularly-loud-yellow-jacket-protestor-demands-french-people-in-france-submit-to-foreign-world-order/ << Qntra -- France: Macron Arrests Particularly Loud Yellow Jacket Protestor, Demands French People In France Submit To Foreign World Order
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-today-two-years-of-divided-congress-begins-partial-shutdown-continues-while-trump-remains-unfulfilled/ << Qntra -- USG Today: Two Years Of Divided Congress Begins, Partial Shutdown Continues While Trump Remains Unfulfilled
asciilifeform: ( it also buys the ability to know where in array you are, without 'pointerisms' )
asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when you read ch10, you will find that i had to rewrite some of the basic arithm logic, so as to remove dependence on indexing.
asciilifeform: btw no doubt must remain whatsoever re this point in the mind of anyone contemplating switching off the range checks in their build (this buys ~2x 'phree' speedup)
asciilifeform: if diana_coman et al find instance where i deviated from said convention ( and not fixed in current spearhead ) -- i would like to know about it.
asciilifeform: imho the de-facto convention i proposed is reasonable tho -- if the array is a local creation, and its indexing is known, then to refer to it explicitly is permissible. otherwise, not.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in fact i did ask; and happy to have it.
asciilifeform: i took the approach where i built the thing maximally-compactly, and then proceeded in direction of 'now let's make it go in less than geological time'.
diana_coman: heh, talked in parallel there; I know and that's why I did not mention it at all at first; it was just because you asked for as much nitpick as possible, so now it's at least said
asciilifeform: as i've said previously, ffa post-ch6 is largely an 'uglification' to buy usable performance on pc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: where this appears, it is a concession to 1) speed 2) brevity of code . where the indexing of the array is known, because it is a local buffer, it is referred to explicitly; invocations X'First, X'Last, etc cost measurable cpu, it turned out. but where indexing is not known ( e.g. if operand may be part of a karatsuba ) , there it is unavoidably X'First etc.
diana_coman: re nitpick: in my code I tend to keep to XS'First..XS'First+X'Length but it does make it ugly & long
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, it was rather basic stuff but the fact is that I read Knuth ~10 years ago so refresh was long due
diana_coman: if nitpick at all, the one thing that consistently nags at me (though for which I can't make up my mind as to actual solution) is the implicit reliance on indices to be in fact starting from 1 when copying stuff e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians.kv#L187
asciilifeform: diana_coman: where at all possible, i tried to use ~simpler~ algo than what was given by knuth. e.g. karatsuba without moving pivots.
asciilifeform: hence the importance of other thinking folx giving the thing a thorough walk.
asciilifeform: almost always sharp edge is invisible to the orig author, who 'knows where not to run fingers'
diana_coman: ftr I had to refresh a bit on Knuth Vol 2 at some point but I don't see that as a minus at all
diana_coman: the trouble is that "sharp edges" are quite often operator-shaped as it were
asciilifeform: ftr i very much appreciate all nitpicks, even purely stylistic ones, an explicit objective of ffa is to be not only bug-free but entirely clean of sharp edges, to the extent possible on the available irons.
asciilifeform: no need to hurry.
diana_coman: cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman -- your earlier nitpicks made it in to 14b.
asciilifeform: given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out. ☟︎
asciilifeform: currently yer the champ in ffaology.
asciilifeform: ty for putting in the sweat, diana_coman
diana_coman: apeloyee beat me to the cut; nothing else so far
asciilifeform: plz lemme know if it turns out that missed one.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fixed the links by hand, there were only a handful.
asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 02:19 asciilifeform: aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive.
asciilifeform: btw, to round off yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884041 , culprit is https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg08419.html ( 12 yrs! and still not fixed, apparently. ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ty for the eggog report, diana_coman
asciilifeform: ( will replace'em all to ch11-and-up-style links to gnathtml-generated snapshots. )
asciilifeform: but i'ma have to fix the links.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 22:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
diana_coman: well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma have to fix by hand.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hm , i thought phf had the older ones still in there
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you broke all your links on your www to FFA code on btcbase when you changed the name of vpatches because of keccak vs sha: e.g. btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians/tree/ffa/ffacalc/cmdline.ads#L42 in Ch8 404s now because no ".kv"
asciilifeform: loox like only the trb www moved, ml was on separate box, still needs moving.
diana_coman: I was under the impression it moved
asciilifeform: diana_coman: looks like ml not yet moved to pizarro, it's still hosted wherever it was that jurov had it ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the substance of teh announcement :p
asciilifeform: aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive. ☟︎