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mircea_popescu: yeah i dunno that you can do that today asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
mircea_popescu: punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list.
punkman: where is the open source shame list
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the authors.
mircea_popescu: gurney tho ?!
asciilifeform: but i really can't think of a good reason why anyone should be able to pull this shit twice.
asciilifeform: and they tend to recurr
asciilifeform: for some reason we hardly ever hear the names
mircea_popescu: what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
mircea_popescu: considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
mircea_popescu: "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
thestringpuller: http://nopiracy.org/ << this is a thing now
asciilifeform knows both quite well, does not use today
asciilifeform: ah - that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
mircea_popescu: in this sense your senator's also your representative.
asciilifeform: so in that sense craftsman never died.
mircea_popescu: gotta to revert to that.
mircea_popescu: the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is called 'ladder logic' among factory automation folks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
ben_vulpes: now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants
ben_vulpes: as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link
ben_vulpes: i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes
asciilifeform: - that - continues to happen in izhevsk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap ☟︎
asciilifeform: well literally 9 of 10 searches i ever did on that page returned garbage specifically because of stem
mircea_popescu: what do you have to say for self nao alf!
mircea_popescu: <assbot> 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it.
asciilifeform: but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even.
asciilifeform: i'd love to expunge -all- existing ic
mircea_popescu: which is where it ties into "new os"
mircea_popescu: why do you want ddr2 is the question ?
asciilifeform: but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip
mircea_popescu: but completely rather than just "progressively".
mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm. ☟︎
asciilifeform: since first one was built from resistors in the '30s
asciilifeform: tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed
mircea_popescu: the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
asciilifeform: had to jog memory
asciilifeform: ^ there we go
asciilifeform: ^ one vendor sold cd-r drives (and disks for extra cost with specially-coated labels) that contained fw to translate raster to polar, and print stickers
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asciilifeform: but what was the music box ?
mircea_popescu: start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
mircea_popescu: for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
mircea_popescu: after all the disk is flat.
mircea_popescu: it isn't, but then again maybe it could be.
mircea_popescu: i just meant, use the items somehow.
asciilifeform: intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's actually reminiscent of one idea i looked into - optical logic produced photographically via laser
mircea_popescu: as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
mircea_popescu: you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
mircea_popescu: is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
asciilifeform: but realize that cd-r 'cheats' by having existing guide marks
asciilifeform: and yes, it would have some resemblance to cd-r
mircea_popescu: motivation to make it however, does.
mircea_popescu: ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
asciilifeform: that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press
mircea_popescu: basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood
PeterL: need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale?
mircea_popescu: no, im sure this is understood.
asciilifeform: have to reinvent the entire stack.
asciilifeform: it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: proof of this being the cosmic space.
ben_vulpes: also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
asciilifeform: the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is
mircea_popescu: the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
mircea_popescu: depends on how big the fab is
asciilifeform: PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab'
Lycerion: PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good
lobbes: lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
PeterL: hello Lycerion, how are things?
asciilifeform: chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
ben_vulpes: such a cheery morning to you all!
mircea_popescu: it's disconcerting to cocksuckers.
ben_vulpes: perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow
mircea_popescu: imagine if a dude had a thick fat unibrow
ben_vulpes: people copying content have no taste
mircea_popescu: all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
ben_vulpes: nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile
ben_vulpes: yet trivially available on UToob
mircea_popescu: is nowhere to be found on the public trackers <<
ben_vulpes: i have no context or anything to judge music against.
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me.
ben_vulpes: from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
mircea_popescu: i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue.
ben_vulpes: this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
ben_vulpes: just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
mircea_popescu: jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
mircea_popescu: "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
mircea_popescu: "Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.."
mircea_popescu: in other news, the "toilet seat debate" has been resolved. http://38.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_n4q32bciEb1st3pp0o1_400.gif