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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option'
nubbins`: he's sleeping in the restaurant now?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to drink.
asciilifeform: not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it?
BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing.
nubbins`: "after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit"
mircea_popescu: you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever.
mircea_popescu: dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?!
punkman: I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already?
mircea_popescu: dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet.
danielpbarron: that's not even bad; he says way worse things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will take time.
nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops
danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold)
asciilifeform: or at the very least review the backport
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion
nubbins`: so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station"
nubbins`: i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things
asciilifeform: evidently, no one has the time or inclination
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude
thestringpuller: danielpbarron listens to eminem?!?
asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen ☟︎
nubbins`: it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career.
nubbins`: i feel like one of you guys would be in the know
nubbins`: things that shine the light, as it were
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes
asciilifeform: if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak
asciilifeform: the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove
BingoBoingo: Well, I also read the previous porting efforts
nubbins`: we call this "test driven development"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one
asciilifeform: see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation
BingoBoingo: 5 days of history left to sync
PeterL: asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind?
asciilifeform: bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff'
nubbins`: asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths...
asciilifeform: rip out and roll in, that is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all
asciilifeform: (aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit
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danielpbarron: "I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem
nubbins`: BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer"
mircea_popescu: ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there.
mircea_popescu: all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034655 << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs'
nubbins`: and what is the unit you're about to use in real units
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see
BingoBoingo first heard this news on the radio while retreiving 1/5th of vodka from liquor retailor
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Story updated with turdory cached http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
asciilifeform: until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem.
asciilifeform: if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature'
asciilifeform: rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd
asciilifeform: certainly can't consist just of that
mircea_popescu: ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project"
mircea_popescu: the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude.
asciilifeform: don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon
mircea_popescu: well, no, but the openssl code as-was.
asciilifeform: it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way
asciilifeform: fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here'
asciilifeform: fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go'
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing?
mircea_popescu: you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time)
asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034635 << too risky., ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on the second part
thestringpuller: "Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)."
thestringpuller: don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto
mircea_popescu: how exactly is the api working ? gpg ?
mircea_popescu: it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math.
mircea_popescu: "BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo."
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asciilifeform: but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative.
asciilifeform: not that x11 has no warts
asciilifeform: because they don't belong living with people.
asciilifeform: but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise.
asciilifeform: how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me
asciilifeform: and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast.
asciilifeform: fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local