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mircea_popescu: whether most women in x population are more like californians or saudis has nothing to do wit ha cunt being a cunt.
asciilifeform: that leads to hell knows where
asciilifeform: for the structural reason of preferring their familiar private kitchens to a sewer hatchway
mircea_popescu: but not for any structural reason, is the important point.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel, mircea_popescu: simply pointing out that most fiat 'barons' are more like herr buffett than mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the matter with it, you writing with different letters or something ?
gabriel_laddel: and you know this how?
asciilifeform: nope. and you can take that to the bank
asciilifeform: for all the platinum-iridium toilet in the world ?
asciilifeform: would thiel read, e.g., my site ?
mircea_popescu: in this line : "oh mp must be insane to spend all his time on irc, if i was rich i'd do [???]".
asciilifeform: brown, grizzled, with monstrous teeth, no ?
gabriel_laddel: lemme find the video
asciilifeform: or with anyone to whom they might give the time of day?
mircea_popescu gleefully notices how alf is now using the "you yourself" device.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: think of how you, yourself, came upon al schwartz's thing
mircea_popescu: "the education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgments, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them. It teaches him to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant."
gabriel_laddel: it remains to be seen if he'll grok bitcoin. if he does, he'll probably end up funding interesting things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude gtfo, nobody said management is required to be illiterate.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he's stuck relying on 'legitimate' communities of 'domain experts' and is doomed to never see anything of genuine interest, which is 100% on crank islands
mircea_popescu: thiel the nubile savage.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel or what they are. or how to look for them. essentially he's a girl that'd like to fuck but never heard of clothes, or make-up or going out.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:09:13; decimation: in the sense that some crank comes up with an idea that happens to be right, rather than the result of some carefully arranged program of research
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037142 << this is necessarily true, it directly flows from the definitions of the words you use. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: if you watch thiels videos in particular you can see that he wants to fund interesting things but doesn't know how
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that it is possible to give him a heuristic good enough that he can ditch 'r-strategy' and go with 'k-strategy', to use the zoologist's terms
mircea_popescu: people with money they don't know what to do with are the very definition of schmuckdom
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the idea wasn't that, but to educate thiel so he's less of a schmuck.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:05:50; gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037139 << of course. meanwhile the last attempt by some other kids to pretend this is the case just imploded ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'why should -this- piece of shit get 100k to enjoy life, while i sit on this stake...'
asciilifeform: i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage
asciilifeform: and then talk to thiel
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: find someone whose heuristic isn't 'give it to -me-'
mircea_popescu: specifically for that reason, yes.
gabriel_laddel: 4) perhaps the fault lies with those attempting to peruse basic science, for not giving him a heuristic
mircea_popescu: but thiel wants web2.0 not a new nuke.
asciilifeform: but then he'd actually need a proper heuristic for choosing his 'soldiers'
asciilifeform: and two garages in alaska
gabriel_laddel: A summary of my points. 1) there are some people attempting to fund basic science 2) I don't agree with all of their funding decisions 3) this isn't the first instance of this occuring in history
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i confess that thiel's experiment would be considerably more interesting if it were 100m not 100k
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did try to convince the fella.
mircea_popescu: this is the very stuff of life, following our flights of fancy.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and to what does that thing amount ?
mircea_popescu: but the proposition that one shouldn't or understandably wouldn't for it may turn out to be just fancy... that's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, i'm not proposing anyone's obliged to follow any particular flight of fancy.
decimation: so did the swiss patent office 'organize' to advance physics by paying einstein in exchange for clerk-serfdom?
asciilifeform: 50k for the might-work calorimetric variant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but what if your work is meaningless without $b synchrophasotron ? <<< i thought it was 50k.
asciilifeform: no idea who that was
asciilifeform: (can you name, off the top of your head, a single person who was given the prize - which is intended to set promising young thinkers free from workslavery) who amounted to anything ?
gabriel_laddel: I'm not saying that I beneficiary agree with Thiel's funding decisions, but I am pointing out that there are people attempting to fund basic science, and that there are two specific people I've cited who can be vetted for their contributions.
asciilifeform: and he is, in that sense, continuing the tradition of the equally boring 'mcarthur prize'
gabriel_laddel: (he is attempting to fund basic science)
asciilifeform: thus far i know of no particular reason why thiel picked the folks he did
asciilifeform: in that sense, the ubiquitous state lottery is also 'organized effort'
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:19:51; mircea_popescu: if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored"
gabriel_laddel: 'you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had', thiel could reply, quoting mr bush << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-02-2015#1035968 ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: they will exist in the future, assuming we don't end up glassing the whole planet
gabriel_laddel: and organized effords have existed in the past
gabriel_laddel: my point is that this is an organized effort
decimation: it seems to me that basic science is something that is only obvious in distant hindsight
asciilifeform: 'you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had', thiel could reply, quoting mr bush
gabriel_laddel: is this basic science?
gabriel_laddel: Christopher Olah, Thiel fellow. Does research on conv. neural networks.
gabriel_laddel: Does this qualify? will she produce anything of interest? I don't yet know.
gabriel_laddel: she is doing category theory and physics research.
gabriel_laddel: this girl was given 100k by Pete Thiel to think.
gabriel_laddel: ^ here is a blog I've not gotten around to reading yet
assbot: math is art | "Discovery is the privilege of the child: the child who has no fear of being once again wrong, of looking like an idiot, of not being serious, of not doing things like everyone else." — Grothendieck ... ( http://bit.ly/1DF4iA9 )
asciilifeform: and on which the rest of the tower - stands.
asciilifeform: in the same sense as the base of a tower is the point maximally far from its tip.
asciilifeform: e.g., boolean algebra in the lifetime of g. boole.
asciilifeform: basic in the sense of maximally distant from applications.
gabriel_laddel: is that science?
gabriel_laddel: (conceptually basic, atoms and the like, or basic in the sense of a starting point that is eventually abandoned, e.g., alchemy)
gabriel_laddel: (is this 'basic science'? What is basic science?)
decimation: what 'basic science' did the manhattan project advance?
gabriel_laddel: ^ I don't see that this is true.
gabriel_laddel: "it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'"
gabriel_laddel: and sometimes it happens through e.g., MIT, Stanford, library of Alexandria, Manhattan Project
ben_vulpes checks to see if a > 1mb block is floating around
decimation: sometimes this happens in unconnected pairs
asciilifeform: (or not so happily, as the case may be)
asciilifeform: 'crank' in this context is really anyone who 'forks science' and ends up an army-of-one
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 23:06:12; asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548254 << obligatory thread re: cranks ☝︎
decimation: I'm not using the word 'random' to mean 'acausal'
gabriel_laddel: we know sorta-kinda how it is going to function, but I expect to be pleasantly surprised
gabriel_laddel: but that doesn't make it random
decimation: but the earlier masters couldn't have predicted the results of their erudition
gabriel_laddel: my point is that science does not advance "at random" ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: decimation: afaik, no one predicted leonardo, but there were three generations of masters preceding him. He learned from their works
decimation: gabriel_laddel: who was the 'herri seldon' who foresaw the development of leonardo?
gabriel_laddel: and countless derps before that
gabriel_laddel: It took 3 generations of masters to produce Leonardo ☟︎
gribble: Leonardo da Vinci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci>; Leonardo da Vinci - Biography - Writer, Mathematician, Inventor ...: <http://www.biography.com/people/leonardo-da-vinci-40396>; Leonardo Da Vinci - The complete works: <http://www.leonardoda-vinci.org/>
gribble: Symbolics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolics>; Symbolics.com : The first and oldest registered domain name on the ...: <http://symbolics.com/>; Symbolics, Inc.: <http://www.symbolics-dks.com/>
gribble: Manhattan Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project>; The Manhattan Project [ushistory.org]: <http://www.ushistory.org/us/51f.asp>; Manhattan Project | United States history | Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/362098/Manhattan-Project>
asciilifeform: which was known for a rather long time prior to becoming an industrial product ☟︎