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decimation: asciilifeform: also it's probably never going
to attract hipsters
decimation: "no, I want
the writef()
that does
the stuff, not
the writef()
that displays singing monkeys"
decimation: asciilifeform: well,
this is a general problem in C programming -
the failure
to provide a global namespace
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform:
trying
to explain
that it is quit impossible
to have a package management system above
the language level
that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say
that package management can only be properly done at
the language level?
mircea_popescu: what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on
the same
three contractors ?
adlai: fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been
toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well
the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't
think
this is a good sign"
decimation: asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping
track of
the symbols
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
this "private language"
thing is a lot easier said
than done. << Is any
truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender
the
truth of mathematics
to language?
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every
time i do
this, i get
the distinct feeling
that i'm
the only living
thing other
than
the package maintainer/developer who
tried
to build it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind.,
adlai needs
to
try
this as coding music
danielpbarron: lol paypal nags me every
time i log in now about how i haven't given
them enough KYC but
they let me send money regardless
adlai: chicken coming down
to roost
mircea_popescu: i remember a
time, maybe 10 or so years ago, when having a paypal was like, a point of pride.
mircea_popescu: this "private language"
thing is a lot easier said
than done.
adlai: well anyone can factor a number of arbitrary length in arbitrary
time... consistently being able
to factor arbitrary length numbers in constant
time, now
that is a 'supernatural' algorithm, relative
to current knowledge
BingoBoingo: If anyone has a
time machine
to lend I have all kinds of
trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities
that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer
than it
takes
to start
the machine alone with it.
danielpbarron: even
though it's still not proven, i'll go out on a limb saying
that
the ability
to factor a number of arbitrary length would have
to come from a supernatural source, and such a being could probably break all
the alternative methods
BingoBoingo: IN
the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't
too bad compared
to DES, provided
the grammar and semantics are unique
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish
though it lacks backwards compatibility or
they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily.
adlai: ok, so
the confusion was on my end :)
mircea_popescu: looking in
the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic"
adlai: not really,
there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and
there's no need
to factor anything
trinque: +BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But
there is always
the constraint
that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not
danielpbarron: isn't a private key a composite number with
two very large prime numbers?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
They keep getting voiced, bumped
to guest*** and rejoining
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I
think whoever
they are is in
the DoS loop
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But
there is always
the constraint
that particular lives are bound by finitude.
Tis
the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets
to see
the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't
danielpbarron: i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way
this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i
think i'd rather have b-a in charge if
there is a choice
danielpbarron: i
think it's along
the lines of how
this world is
temporary anyway -- it's like
the
tower of babel
to
try
to make heaven on earth
trinque: I could see myself in
the past saying "well, if
this 'authority' is not godly,
they're no real authority"
trinque: danielpbarron:
the passivity in romans 13 is
the kind of
thing I rejected on
the way out of
the church
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I'd need
to know if
they have a
time machine or not.
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, interestingly enough consider if someone came along who could factor any number of arbitrary length -- would
that not appear
to be a miracle?
BingoBoingo: End of
the world stuff would probably be better in Ezekiel with
the horse dicks
trinque: sounds a lot more like
that guy John went on one hell of a psychedelic
trip
decimation: but
that 'goodness' might be delivered
through great destruction
BingoBoingo: Anyways, revelations is awfully late
to be considered God's word.
danielpbarron: but if we are
to
take God at His word, even
this wicked government is for good
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Could even
the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers?
danielpbarron: the USG is surely wicked in
that it enforces laws
that are counter
to
The Bible
decimation: who exactly is
to be
the object of your submission?
the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor?
decimation: danielpbarron:
that was what I was going
to bring up next.
this
text (romans 13) is difficult
to put into practice in a universal suffrage democracy
danielpbarron: Romans 13 Let every soul be subject
to
the governing authorities. For
there is no authority except from God, and
the authorities
that exist are appointed by God. 2
Therefore whoever resists
the authority resists
the ordinance of God, and
those who resist will bring judgment on
themselves. 3 For rulers are not a
terror
to good works, but
to evil. Do you want
to be unafraid of
the authority? Do what is good, and you will have
trinque: sure, it'd be just like
that
trinque: danielpbarron: evil does
that doesn't it?
takes something and
twists it just a hair
danielpbarron: seems more likely
than
the idea
that carbon credits and rfid chips are
the beast and mark
danielpbarron: i'm not saying GPG and
the WoT is
the number and
the beast necessarily, but
the similarity is more striking
than most ideas i've heard
decimation: danielpbarron: it is very interesting
though
trinque: danielpbarron: I enjoy
thinking of
the usgov as
the whore,
though I've heard people argue
thats
the catholic church
decimation: danielpbarron: revelation is a difficult book. I have no idea what
that means
trinque: danielpbarron: heh I could project
the beast's key and my key onto
that
too
danielpbarron: "no one may buy or sell except one who has ...
the number of his name"
danielpbarron: decimation, what do you
think of
this?: Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave,
to receive a mark on
their right hand or on
their foreheads, 17 and
that no one may buy or sell except one who has
the mark or[a]
the name of
the beast, or
the number of his name.
decimation: I also
think
the fiat machine
that enables mass
theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
☟︎ BingoBoingo: decimation: And I did not write
the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for
tales of awesome machines.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Had
the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own.
trinque: maybe
there are more out
there
than I
think
trinque: decimation: seems like bitcoin has attracted a lot of christians, not
that I mind. I'm curious why
that is, if so
BingoBoingo is dissapoint in
this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway
through and no fucking?
☟︎ trinque: right-o, it's a sort of
techno-atheist christianity
decimation: trinque: as a Christian I find
their statements abhorrent
trinque: same heaven on earth myth
too
trinque: decimation: hilarious how close
that is
to christian rhetoric
BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought
to be expected as I'm from a
town with "auf wiedersehen" on
the signs at its borders