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assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 03:01:31; mircea_popescu: !rate nubbins` -1 more or less shoemaker insistent on derping above the crepidam.
asciilifeform: i think i am what mircea_popescu terms a 'shoemaker.'
asciilifeform: at any rate, mircea_popescu is prolly off sitting in the war room recrunching the numberz, and will come back and either show us that we're idiots, or apologize and 'gracious donation to shareholderz.'
asciilifeform: so even though mircea_popescu is not here, i can say with some certainty that he was not conducting an s.nsa experiment that day.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i must confess that if mircea_popescu was conducting an experiment to demonstrate the brokkenness of bitcoin, under the banner of s.nsa, he would have put it as expense in s.nsa statement.
asciilifeform: based on what mircea_popescu said in his article.
asciilifeform: i hold myself responsible for some of mircea_popescu's rage. and think that it is justified. because the thing ~is~ br0k3n.
asciilifeform: you think mircea_popescu actually ~needs~ the 17 for something ?
asciilifeform: anyway i have nfi, will let mircea_popescu explain whether his chair collapsed, which pipe, if any, he grabbed, what kind of reactor coolant came out, etc.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:13:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way it worked, from the beginning, was that he did the site and i did admin and payouts.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: recall, mircea_popescu said something to the effect of that he was putting out a fire.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu pulled the reactor control rods out because he had a drink too many, the shareholders, per the spec, have precisely two options - to forgive him, or to sell
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:12:01; mircea_popescu: PeterL when the ceo of a company makes a stupid mistake, the company pays for it. there are exactly no exceptions to this rule, nor will there ever be. morever, even when what the ceo does isn't a stupid mistake, the shareholders still pay for it.
PeterL: anybody want to guess as to whether one of the winning bets on the JebBush bet was owned by mircea_popescu? who got the extra 7btc payment?
asciilifeform: anyway nubbins` i srsly have nfi why the 17 was put in as bitbet expense, ask mircea_popescu, i'm not his mother.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: idk, if this carries on, i might have to take up his offer and visit in person (and perhaps disappear into whatever gulag they put the real mircea_popescu in !1111)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and admit he was conducting a drill.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 17:08:22; mircea_popescu: alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu works as a pope.
asciilifeform: afaik pete_dushenski is this canadian fella who likes to race cars, and also occasionally reads the logz and writes summaries, in something like stalin's radio caster (levitan) voice.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: fwiw pete_dushenski and i are not huge fans of one another.
PeterL: it's mostly mircea_popescu and asciilifeform bickering back and forth?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 22:35:15; asciilifeform: except i admit that i only expected 'this' to happen after cia murdered mircea_popescu and took his coin...
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is possible that mircea_popescu is holding a drill.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i fully expected that mircea_popescu would cover the 17 from the coin stuck in his toenails
PeterL: maybe mircea_popescu can tell us how his own implementation works?
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaoiSM )
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0844
asciilifeform: [02:07:54] [mircea_popescu] ALL these ~happened~ to somehow drop out of mempools ? << from the document << later we learn that prb DROPS what it deems 'doublespend' SOLELY based on chronology.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu sent the first tx. noticed that it has apparently vanished from the fact of the earth. what is the thing to do in that case ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's observations best fit the 'there is no longer a reliable network' model.
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425061 ☝︎
asciilifeform: PeterL: i have nfi how mircea_popescu concluded that miners were involved. the only clue i have is that it has recently come out that the top cn miners have formed a derp committee of some kind, apparently for purposes of negotiated separate peace with the enemy
asciilifeform: anyway i have no idea if mircea_popescu send the 'doubles' because he was pissed and mashing keys, or if he forgot that most of the node network is run by imbeciles who go by chronology to 'resolve doublespend', or what. ask him, not me.
asciilifeform: what was bbet (or mircea_popescu at the console, or imagine youself there instead) do instead ?
PeterL: but how is mircea_popescu going to address the concerns if he ignores the people who raise them?
PeterL: <mircea_popescu> by this measure, there's a large overlap between all sorts of things. maybe there is, sure. << it only takes one, and I bet and have a node, therefore it might have been me too
PeterL: mircea_popescu you seem to be making some big assumptions and plugging your ears whenever anybody questions them
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:24:11; mircea_popescu: but in any case, there is a substantial difference between "i think X on the basis of my personal experience" and "mp said x on the basis of bitbet experience as documented on qntra". exactly of the sort and caliber as the difference between "i think there exist alien" and "here's pictures of man walking on the moon", in fact.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought this was quite apparent long ago
asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu said 'miners' i assumed he had intelligence pointing in that direction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the relevant bit here is that we (at least i) do not know ~who~ withheld it, and then exhumed and transmitted it, and why
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 16:18:56; mircea_popescu: in any case, at the time this was discussed in the logs, the miner priority was in the 9th decile, about 16% of the global mempool.
asciilifeform: from the sturles thread, i learned that most idiot nodes are set up to ignore what they think is 'double spend' on purely chronological what-i-saw-first grounds. and mircea_popescu was mighty pissed, and i also (to me, this was new, i do not habitually track prbism)
PeterL: mircea_popescu made a stupid mistake, and now he makes the shareholders pay for it
asciilifeform: i'm wondering if mircea_popescu is not in a position similar to the familiar murder mystery detective, where he ~knows~ that dr. evil did the deed, but cannot prove.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: permanently parking things in ram is retarded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421938 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall eatblock ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my experiment where i determined that :
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:43:08; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla : http://pastebin.com/raw/6d72j4jZ
assbot: irc_bots:deedbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQw0l8 )
danielpbarron: nubbins`, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I wound up buying 3 thanks to mats, had considered more lol
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla : http://pastebin.com/raw/6d72j4jZ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.dooglus.2:3c6c25e386479486e1de0e81ec42ca24bfd40f96aa16d1252b39ca9e7d5e8af3
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
davout: mircea_popescu: these weren't me
davout: mircea_popescu: not sure what you're referring to?
asciilifeform: it did not explain mircea_popescu's observations though
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 2 to -1 with note: tinpot dictator, throws tantrums when embarrassed. petulant and unwilling to admit error in the face of overwhelming evidence. a poor example of how a lord should behave. great for milking a few BTC from, but otherwise avoid.
nubbins`: !v assbot:nubbins`.rate.mircea_popescu.-1:c4b87f050b85b49aada6a81e8e32c6367bd53b43f88ada62c95a94b10e8e417d
nubbins`: !rate mircea_popescu -1 tinpot dictator, throws tantrums when embarrassed. petulant and unwilling to admit error in the face of overwhelming evidence. a poor example of how a lord should behave. great for milking a few BTC from, but otherwise avoid.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
jurov: mircea_popescu: to mpex pls
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.nubbins`.-1:2f86f1e0d27e296c65d393c3735b6596cc002265d63e3fc387f97968b5b46f24
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> does this come with an absolute guarantee that i am not responsible for anything past raw tx, and if it never gets included, bettor is out the money, because i will not under any circumstances repay it ? << lel better not stick with 0-fee tx if you're gonna go that route.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 00:45:43; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/jurov-slime.png < jurov asciilifeform phf and other lisp aficionados.
mircea_popescu: and in other bitcoin news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/17e2293db4434f81bc5aa68d643c8c85/tumblr_mgs749gbFs1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 04:23:11; mircea_popescu: omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated.
asciilifeform was half-considering visiting mircea_popescu for tea one weekend, as he suggested last night
punkman: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xtHFMtrXHRk/VtUzs6lRPKI/AAAAAAAAFcY/WFiZG4Ei9Rc/s1600/3_pcnetworkHeatmap2016-02-29.png
punkman: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zRX5Wt4jHfA/VtUy3ieUilI/AAAAAAAAFcA/lOgxSl7orOo/s1600/0_table_29022016.png
BingoBoingo: !up linton_s_dawson
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> purely for exploratory reasons - how far are you willing to take the gossipd ? << how about quantum money ?
asciilifeform: sorta like what happens today when mircea_popescu meets somebody who disagrees with him re: what 2+2 equals.
asciilifeform: and money, as i stole from another mircea_popescu article, 'is a function of the forum'
asciilifeform: or we can lift from a mircea_popescu article, 'Another aspect is that new blocks are mined by one group (miners) but have to be stored in perpetuity by another group (nodes). This creates a situation where X (users) pay Y (miners) to inconvenience Z (nodes), which is unsustainable not to mention sheer nonsense.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a 'solution' in the sense that there is no exact pill against it, but is -ev for the player.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'bug somewhere else', but a payoff matrix that doesn't equilibrate at 'herd'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my notion was that bitcoin suffered from a ~game-theoretically~ poor design.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this being, where you have two or more types of miners, who have inherently opposed interests
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << well there was this, and then ATC failed around that time
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:56:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423491 << hashing whole block significantly weakens the protocol against attacks from non-bitcoin actors however. think your conn rst sufferences on a large scale.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423721 << can hear more about this plox ?? ☝︎
asciilifeform: where was mircea_popescu's forks photo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no shit
nubbins`: https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/495vr7/tifu_by_inquiring_to_apple_about_ibutt/
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:48:35; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-january-february-2016-joint-statement/#comment-116714 << was this discussed ?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu>http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423517 << if you actually want them you prolly can have them for the cost of sheeping. <<< he's right ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 10:43:36; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423477 << the way to kill pools is to hash he WHOLE BLOCK, rather than header. but as mircea_popescu pointed out, it is not merely ~pools~ that are colluding, but actual ~miners~, so it solves nothing.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 07:15:37; *: ben_vulpes eagerly anticipating mircea_popescu's bitcoin eulogy
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116715
nubbins`: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/496v30/so_it_was_a_fee_event_and_everyone_was_screaming/d0pk4vm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, as far as i can tell, is right, and there is nothing to buy.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's a good place to store money when it's not in use...
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:18:04; mircea_popescu: 18<nubbins`> buy something with it. oh wait, the seller may convert it to usd. << he got the exact answer, but wouldn't take it, because reasons.