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jurov: mircea_popescu: only if hanbot argues against fraudsters as usual
asciilifeform: and hey there's mircea_popescu .
nubbins`: ben_vulpes not trivially, you'd actually have to click a mouse a bunch of times or w/e
nubbins`: ben_vulpes if you pay the pizza guy with your own money, EVEN IF YOU'RE AT WORK, you don't get to automatically bill work for the pizza.
jurov: and the picture is, that some people think that bitbet's funds are at full disposal of mircea_popescu and he can send zerofee tx and all is okay... while coinbr, somehow can not, because "broker"?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes that transaction B was popescu's personal funds, which he sent of his own free will, AKA a generous donation to bettors.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: and what precisely the claim's root? that mircea_popescu paid twice? that the funds were his and the loan a breach of contract?
jurov: ben_vulpes: mpex withdrawals don't come into picture, my withdrawals would, if i sent them zerofee
PeterL: danielpbarron if mircea_popescu had sent the funds to his wallet and spent them on hookers and blow, would that count as fraud or would you let him asses that as "the cost of doing business"?
nubbins`: asciilifeform do you disagree that mp's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good ___?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: do you understand the essence of what mircea_popescu said to you ? about 'rabble rousing' ?
asciilifeform: so i do not see the ' mircea_popescu is cheating people ' angle.
asciilifeform: and from my reading of the listing article, it appears to very clearly imply that it is mircea_popescu's thing and he can take the ball and go home, etc.
asciilifeform: but i also think that mircea_popescu explained his pov pretty well.
nubbins`: asciilifeform what mircea_popescu considers it doesn't necessarily reflect what it actually is
asciilifeform: nubbins`: from rereading the log, you can see that mircea_popescu considers the 17 btc to be a justified cost-of-war thing.
PeterL: did mircea_popescu ever say how his bitcoin handles conflicting transactions?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: did mircea_popescu ever answer your deedbotted grievance thing ?
mircea_popescu: and in other sexploitation news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/4572f58ef5a45c41c06a1edde2fd8c59/tumblr_mex4w12aH01qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? << i don't have enough money to outright do this. if i had, i'd be outright doing this.
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 14:04:37; mircea_popescu: and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426499 << mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 14:03:21; mircea_popescu: pgp prolly also merging into g.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this ~was~ upgrade. now will have to blacklist versions of 1,001 things.
shinohai: mircea_popescu can be an Indonesian plantation Lord
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 05:15:34; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances <<< you don't mean my drinking buddies who a) would take ANY explanation just as long as it doesn't mean gotta get off ass and b) would not be willing, broadly spea ☟︎
ben_vulpes: perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications.
trinque: I think ben_vulpes has it
ben_vulpes: near as i can tell, mircea_popescu went to pop a mining cartel and only caught a sybil.
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 18:06:28; mircea_popescu: you know how it sometimes happens that a platoon gets sent on a random patrol, ends up surprising a moving contingent of enemy, a flurry of radioing and reinforcing and whatnot happens and suddenly the front is in a new place ?
ben_vulpes: [02:12:30] [mircea_popescu] so then, upon advice, i sent it separately. and it went through within half hour. AFTER WHICH somehow the txn was magically found, and… this time it wasn't dropped from mempool ? what changed since last week, mempool is even bigger now. << most underexamined line in this whole saga to date.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: I'm not even sure where to start.
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 03:23:51; mircea_popescu: inb4 city fine for zoning violation.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One nugget you may have missed in the log shitting is that weather permitting this week I will attempt to do the tree to stake conversion for the art
mircea_popescu: and in other news, treeforts! http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3t0uiZva01r4p8klo1_1280.jpg
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought this was how you got momotaro, the peach pit samurai.
asciilifeform: https://www.eetools.com/images/products/eerom_accessaries.jpg
nubbins`: pete_dushenski photographic proof!!
jurov: mircea_popescu: well, if the discussion got so hard now, where are all the negrates?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> kyle's dad and a hot tub or something << Kyle's dad and Randy's dad. 2nd part of 3 that includes Jew Scouts
nubbins`: pete_dushenski 2 big eyes w/ tears leaking out
nubbins`: pete_dushenski i'm long s.mg!
nubbins`: pete_dushenski that well's gone dry. mp only pays hangers-on in shares these days
cazalla: pete_dushenski, sure, but sometimes a dry bite is all that's needed
cazalla: pete_dushenski, never seen pod racing used in that context though, guess ill find a new me me
pete_dushenski: cazalla: aha! http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Two_Guys_Naked_in_a_Hot_Tub
cazalla: it's a me me pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i almost forgot that nubbins` was a math grad!?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you said chix can be taught anything. teach >= one to partake in this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'g' is another angle of attack against the octopus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that they, supposing there were brains anywhere involved, ~tried~ to fight the octopus but eventually lost.
davout: mircea_popescu: well, it also "doesn't not work" in the sense that I sometimes have got transactions stuck because I'm a cheap zero-fee jew, that I got unstuck by issuing a double-spend
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 23:20:09; mircea_popescu: you think you're running a node, because, symptomatically, in the windows definition of running code (hey, click items till it works) you are. but the sense of running code contemplated for bitcoin is negative, not positive, and you don't know how to check for that nor do you specifically care. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i conduct own 'intel', and yes, i don't have a radiotelescope like mircea_popescu's, only eyes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tell how not stable ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is sorta sheckley's hour of battle thing.
davout: mircea_popescu: if everyone's actually the same node, broadcasting to one node is actually broadcasting to everyone, and it follows that it should have relayed properly. I guess it can also be the sign of your connections all actually being to the same sybilling node
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my hypothesis was that it suffices for the enemy to have a pistol that does this, e.g., per every N trigger pulls, and that the number came up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwut
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from -1 to -1 with note: basic scammer, no accountability
nubbins`: !v assbot:nubbins`.rate.mircea_popescu.-1:dbed451e84f3cd09d7ae986fa83201a1562d21d299af2619c70317009d6f5c28
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is my current picture.
nubbins`: !rate mircea_popescu -1 basic scammer, no accountability
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what makes you think they haven't been squeezing the trigger for 100 shots
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 23:07:12; mircea_popescu: but, generally speaking, sybil testing on purported bitcoin nodes are a good idea, especially if carried out in secret and uncoordinatedly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the incident with bbet, can be explained without miner cartel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i assumed that you had nonpublic intel that led you to say this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is so far imho the best argument for why it had to be bbet's foot on the mine.
davout: mircea_popescu: i like to check stuff, maybe there's stuff to learn if i find out they somehow were relayed to my nodes at some point
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as discussed earlier, it is uniquely easy to do this to bbet.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the most plausible scenario i can think of is that mircea_popescu's network has been boxed in by sybils.
davout: mircea_popescu: true
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they are, however, my strong point. and mircea_popescu asked an entirely logical q.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been lifting the rocks for a while. but i do it with sapper's spade , but as i understand you did it with bbet's foot ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well you also had a hypothesis concerning miners
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 22:52:54; mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you actually did this experiment, and this was the result, then you just nailed a set of sybils, yes
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu>asciilifeform i seem to recall he failed both tests for continued lordship and was basically not on the list of names to be cleared because he asked not to be. << memory failing you once again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is standard syblic detector.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 22:49:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose there's nodes N1... Nn advertising themselves on the network. suppose you send txn X to all nodes Nk where k is divisible by 2, which has the properties that a) it would not be broadcast to any further nodes, and b) it would prevent transaction Y from being accepted in the mempool. suppose you verify that nodes Nk where k = 2i do not in fact advertise X. suppose you broadcast Y
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 22:49:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose there's nodes N1... Nn advertising themselves on the network. suppose you send txn X to all nodes Nk where k is divisible by 2, which has the properties that a) it would not be broadcast to any further nodes, and b) it would prevent transaction Y from being accepted in the mempool. suppose you verify that nodes Nk where k = 2i do not in fact advertise X. suppose you broadcast Y
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/706973928007151618
asciilifeform: see log. jurov, kakobrekla, and i all wondered wtf mircea_popescu thought he was doing when he programmed a1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu !
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 22:08:22; dooglus: pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/382FKCJ
dooglus: pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/382FKCJ ☟︎
nubbins`: [18:26:01] <+nubbins`>pete_dushenski no hard feelings, i swear!
asciilifeform: nubbins` and pete_dushenski are entirely welcome to sit on opposite ends of the bar and give mean stares or whatnot.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: hey there's no rule proclaiming that everybody has to be friendz.
dooglus: pete_dushenski: yeah, but what does it mean?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski no hard feelings, i swear!
dooglus: pete_dushenski: that block is 999962 bytes long, which is 976.5254 * 1024 - so that's the discrepancy
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i do not. but this'd be a good beginner project
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what are we looking at here ?
asciilifeform: ah this is re: whether blocks are being withheld as per mircea_popescu's hypothesis.
asciilifeform: dooglus: mircea_popescu does not use prb.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:47:24; mircea_popescu: it just turned a mild magic number ("get all the headers no less than 2000) into a fucking protocol limit. "only get 2k". this is utter nonsense.
asciilifeform: i have to agree with mircea_popescu on this one , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424756 ☝︎