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mircea_popescu: no. they made their prediction, we made ours.
asciilifeform: l0l success is when they're here
mircea_popescu: alf will, true to form, magick this success away.
asciilifeform: can anyone identify the weapon in the photo? looks like recoillessrifle - but which.
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asciilifeform: neither finds it worthwhile to rocket far away from the other
asciilifeform: the intelligence of the hunter and the deer are, it seems, linked.
asciilifeform: and continue to bake idiocies readily detectable this way and not polymorphic one bit
asciilifeform: the funny part is that crapware artists, by and large, oblige
asciilifeform: because 'whaddayamean i'm to be hanged for buying ibm'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1001 variations on that theme
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that was the lulz of all time, "malware detectors". except they didn't detect stuff half-register shifted did they.
asciilifeform: or anybody who ever jumped in the middle of x86 instruction
asciilifeform: mats: packet-in-packet attack (see also, described in that neato phrack thing you linked to, i spent all day leafing through it, you wrecker you) or even frame-shift-mutation in genetics, etc
asciilifeform: it's not just a perverse kind of engineering, where it's the plastic that matters
asciilifeform: nubbins`: once you understand how their religion works, it sorta clicks
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so you're arguing to ignorance ?
nubbins`: my position is that wtf is a plastic bag doing that the fuselage isn't
mircea_popescu: nubbins` to begin, is your position that this doesn't work or that this doesn't make sense ?
asciilifeform: and i have not been able to figure out why it is there on certain times but not others
asciilifeform: 2) the rope is ill-maintained and often it is down or even in pieces
nubbins`: seems taking once-practical advice to the point of absurdity
asciilifeform: the interesting thing, from where i stand is, 1) the rope 'counts' but the sidewalk it follows, or the line of trees - do not
asciilifeform: there is a little hassid enclave here where i live. they have the 'eruv' (ceremonial rope boundary) that establishes a zone where they can sorta do things on shabat
nubbins`: it might as well be "i can fly over a cemetery as long as i'm playing tetris on a nintendo game boy"
asciilifeform: (because, clearly, the latter was not put there by the hassid fella)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: notice that only the 'graded for effort' hypothesis explains why the cellophane 'counts' but not the plastic in the fuselage
nubbins`: mircea_popescu guy's protecting himself from the cemetery he's flying over
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 00:07:42; nubbins`: examine the utter failure of logic by this man
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 00:04:53; jurov: i'd fuck myself. we'd only have to resort to reading /dev/random about who goes first.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061226 << i agree, the first thing i'd want to ask my long lost twin is if they wanna fuck. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 00:04:40; Adlai: probably to prevent physical contact with female flight attendants
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061224 << wait, joos aren't allowed to touch women ?! ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: any 16yo boys with a harem reading this ? go fer it!
mircea_popescu: it'd prolly make a fucking tsunami of pointless.
mircea_popescu: we'd be a new sort of furry : the soulless! better than emo!
mircea_popescu: if i were 20 years younger i'd take the sluts to whatever cons on this premise.
asciilifeform: perhaps somebody whose soul is still attached will write this book..
mircea_popescu: "and then everything failed because well... everyone was in a bureaucracy, because the souls were like loist behind"
gabriel_laddel: Which US is this where "intelligence" is discussed?
asciilifeform: i've thought about it myself
mircea_popescu: i'd read a technopunk sf novel working on this exact premise.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 00:01:13; asciilifeform: re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061201 << ironically, this would actually explain the modern age. ☝︎
asciilifeform: something like that. but now we've lost the specificity
mircea_popescu: ok. "sort of wankery they abusively call intelligence, cause they're dumb and ambitious" ?
asciilifeform: the u.s. being collectively enamoured of anything that could be described as 'intelligence' is mega-news to me
mircea_popescu: plenty of good examples, no argument they move faster.
asciilifeform: perhaps i was thinking of a gnat, hm
mircea_popescu: decimation take your real self away from me!111
decimation: unless you dream up a robot ninja to fight on your behalf
mircea_popescu: it takes 2 seconds or so.
mircea_popescu: actually i watched mosquitoes bite, and the head movement really resembles a tank tower.
asciilifeform: hell, in that situation, you'd want to be... an insect. mosquito can bite in milliseconds; us, with our heavy circuitry, cannot ever equal this - even if limbs were short enough
mircea_popescu: if survival depends on, say, spending a week in a fox hole paying the fuck attention, "intelligence", especially the dreamy "creative" sort the us is so enamoured with, is the topmost liability.
asciilifeform: well no. but it's rather like the difference between 'die in car crash' and 'die of exhaust fumes in garage'
mircea_popescu: well... you can now divorce these ?!
asciilifeform: of intelligence, or the inevitable cost ?
decimation: no doubt. 'curiousity killed the cat'
decimation: the intelligent one survived long enough to be presented
mircea_popescu: think about women, your head thinks about women much easier/better. general fitness factor : big tits, tall, clear eyes, wide hips, etc etc.
asciilifeform: (recall the genetic algorithm discussions, and basic theory of mutation overall)
asciilifeform: but it threatens to make some logical sense based on the tiny size of the 'phase space' of 'healthy/intelligent/strong' vs a world of possible organism, living and dead, which is none of these
mircea_popescu: so of course she does, so now there's a copy,
mircea_popescu: chick falls in love with geek, he takes her home and tells her to fuck any toy in the lab except this one,
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:54:55; asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061169 << you know this could make some pretty decent technomagic folklovestories ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: but it adds up to, overall, taller/healthier/more decisive/intelligent in whatever sense / stronger / etc
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:54:02; nubbins`: there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061162 << ftr, this "qualified" does exactly nothing. i dunno who thinks themselves qualified in the topic. ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'sand in the gears' hypothesis has a name
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asciilifeform: very loose analogy for the myelin matching thing
asciilifeform: now vary how much sand in the gears.
asciilifeform: complicated mechanical clocks, all quite alike, but large enough to admit some sand
mircea_popescu: iirc i said then, i mostly measure intelligence in person by derived units, such as reaction speeds.
decimation: asciilifeform: reaction times?
mircea_popescu: it's not bad, tho perhaps not directly intelligence,
asciilifeform: incidentally, my (i don't exclusively claim it..) myelin impedance matching hypothesis - is testable.
decimation: nubbins`: folks who have looked into the matter tend to disagree
mircea_popescu: we don't see that many people carrying skyscrapers around.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but strength, you wiull notice, is VERY capped at the top.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that won't fucking do anything. ANYTHING. you are to be traced to lucy, the stupidest chimp that ever lived.
asciilifeform: very simple to have an 'off day' for strength
nubbins`: if you think genetic predisposition plays a bigger part than whether you're surrounded by idiocy in your formative years, well...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strength is better analogy than height
decimation: whatever the causality between 'genes' and 'intelligence' might be, the story is shrouded under layers of ignorance, and it is thus good to be humble on the subject
nubbins`: all i'm arguing is that stupid people have kids, and their kids are given stupid food and provided with stupid stimulation and forced to interact mostly with their stupid parents and their stupid friends
mircea_popescu: but to belabour the point : one of the principal reasons "measuring iq" as it were height is so ridiculous, is because nobody has yet had an off day for height. ☟︎
asciilifeform: naggum had a nifty piece on this fine point
mircea_popescu: and in particular the race -> intelligence one has, in my experience so far, about a thousand times more often worked to illuminate the idiocy of the proponent than say anything about its intended topic.
asciilifeform: what do we do next, the 'commonly encountered' variety of physics? number theory?
mircea_popescu: nor all that intelligent or informed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the issue : a plethora of persuasive arguments can be made starting with genetics and ending with behaviours. however, the most commonly encountered ones are neither persuasive
decimation: of course not, but the skeptic is still informed
asciilifeform: skepticism ought to happily bob about, it doesn't need to sink
mircea_popescu: it does not work to sink skepticism.
mircea_popescu: but that is an argument to sink a competing theory with,
asciilifeform: and not as 'lala never heard of this, so must not be relevant'
asciilifeform: but state of the art, which has to be dealt with as such