asciilifeform: ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.

asciilifeform: ancient problem, sorta how the j00z ended up with a talmud in 4 langs

asciilifeform: imho all of this is a++ illustration of how even in very small, conceptually (vs. e.g. ye olde c/gcc/linux orchestra) system, 'legacy' retardation gets firmly baked in and very difficult to entirely remove.

asciilifeform: ftr we still haven't a pill for the url clocks problem.

asciilifeform: this, rather like the 'url clocks' problem, demands a 'smart' transmutation of old l0gz, somehow, in order to work 100% correctly.

asciilifeform: ... rapidly this becomes a headache, re historic logs where 1e6 times people cited specifically bot echoes

asciilifeform: for folx who give a shit 'via what bot? was the citation' -- can put that in 'hovertext' .

asciilifeform: this becomes : that .

asciilifeform: another thought : the display of literal machine-readable links verbatim in log, is quite wasteful, and if yer doing a whole-page transform, quite avoidable. why not make the cited text the displayed part of the clickable link (and orig. url -- the machine part when same is clicked) .

asciilifeform: incidentally, if yer going full throttle w/ selectables , the Right Thing imho would be to take it all the way and make items like this actually display (if reasonably compact.. config knob?) the linked text. a la old man ted nelson's 'transclusions' concept .

asciilifeform: the other thing, the adhoc traditional line select is human-friendly, very fast to grab a line url, whereas mircea_popescu-style selector less so, gotta find unique start/end text, when citing from trilema it usually takes asciilifeform 2-3 shots to nail down the correct snip

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938055 << iirc he described , 'cheated' by running a znc somewhere and so happened that at no point both fell down simultaneously ( just as e.g. snsabot and ossabot not yet fell down together )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938053 << ideally would pipe it into sumthing like a table layout, so can select w/out repeatedly including speaker indicator per line e.g. 'mircea_popescu:'

asciilifeform: it'd be a 1st class bitch to resync ~from~, however. but fortunately we have other types of loggers that know how to emit lines x..y for given x/y

asciilifeform: imho a logger that can't resync at all, aint much of a logger. but at the same time i dun see why a generate-statics logger couldn't be made to resync. simply a bit moar complicated.

asciilifeform: lobbes: as i understand, with that type of logger you'd have to regen all of the pages that include or follow the gap, in order to close a filled gap.

asciilifeform: lobbes: it's 1 of the reasons why asciilifeform did not like mircea_popescu's original tip re how to bake logger ('just pipe it into a wp') ; but mircea_popescu did specifically ask for 1 that does exactly that, for own www, i presume he knows what he's doing

asciilifeform: hence why imho resync ~must~ be a semi-automatic, rather than automatic, process.

asciilifeform: ( could of course add a cmdline param to it, to enable overwrite )

asciilifeform: currently this is a gnarly manually-cranked process, as ./eat_dump.py deliberately is made so ~not~ to import any line that conflicts with existing index

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this 1 was a piz-wide outage.

asciilifeform: ( when asciilifeform was a sysop, never took 4 whole min to move a live cable. but whoknows, orcs )

asciilifeform: the likely thing is that someone somewhere physically moved a plug.

asciilifeform: i.e. defo not a mains current outage.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope, this is from a box asciilifeform physically sat on, gets reclocked regularly

asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc you had a student write a db differ ? is this posted ? could then find why yours is missing 1ln

asciilifeform: diana_coman: yours is missing a line somewhere >day ago

asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone can think of a cleaner way to parse the 2 types of link ( [][] and naked htt.. ) than what's given in asciilifeform's reader.py , i'd like to hear about it. ( presently there's a quite ugly 2-step transform, as apparently it is impossible to regexp-transmute a grammar w/ 2+ patterns in 1 step )

asciilifeform: could, naturally, force ~any~ text found in the 1st clause of a [][] pair to linkify, but will give yet entirely diff flavour of brokenness in other cases

asciilifeform: aking the proposition of free trade futile. Whether or not Drepper is aware of the political implications of the of his technical decision is irrelevant to the fact of their existance. Nevertheless, there is a belief by technologists “educated” at ITT and the public equivilants that software can exist outside of politics. As a result the US has a legal system that runs on Word, a financial system that runs on Excel, and a voting

asciilifeform: for the l0gz: 'Years ago, a “technical” decision was made by a core gcc developer named Drepper to break static linking. This means that no useful binaries can ever execute on Linux without dynamically linking to certain libraries making the proposition of distributing signed binaries futile, making the proposition of secure software futile, making the proposition of Bitcoin futile, making the proposition of sound money futile, m

asciilifeform: and a++ z80 !

asciilifeform: with the modest ram, not a rk competitor, but potentially useful for other applications ( has 3 serial ports, so can eat FG ) ; runs 'pogo'-style linux, so can stuff even classic gpg in ; can have nic plug attached, so potentially even host small net proggies ; pulls coupla milliwatt, so could work in radio relays or similar.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in world of chinesium : 'lichee' co. is selling a 2.5x3cm arm7 w/ 32MB on-chip an' various periphs , for 7 $ in qty .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these new 'spies' aint tryin to bring back seekritz, but instead simply spread rot, a sort of bipedal smallpox blanket. seems to work

asciilifeform: ( if fuel is not a concern, fly all 10 and xor'em!1111 -- in all seriousness, rng is perhaps the easiest part known to man where to implement redundancy )

asciilifeform: atm if you want a FG for use in mars probe -- gotta do it sovok-style, take 10 and test in the desired conditions , pick the champ.

asciilifeform: ( primary headache with higher grades of part , is ~availability~, rather than cost per se (tends to be +10/+20%) -- if yer baking a small (less than 10,000) run, need 'cut-tape' purchase, which usually only exists in 'commercial' grade )

asciilifeform: there are fine gradations inside the 'classes' also (chiefly degradation curves vs temp, e.g. in vreg , de-rated in re max tolerable voltage spike, or hrs of expected life, or both, at high temp ) , it's a quite gnarly biz

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha it's a dead cap.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if not a mega-seekrit , what was it ?