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mircea_popescu: phase 2, when you write code. this is the excited state, "fuck this shit ima bang something out". it's like prototyping, not even clear whether something comes of it after all. many excited discussions here fail to progress past 1, "oh, I SEE what you meant!" is often their death knell.
diana_coman: ftr for the serpent ada implementation I wrote the testing part: grabbed published test vectors and wrote a snippet to eat them up, call the serpent, check results, complain if any mismatch
asciilifeform: i was just thinking about this, this morning, during the 'declare' thread -- wanted to link to a particular item in ffa, and realized that i couldn't
asciilifeform: it's a good post, but i notice it also does not include any coad
mircea_popescu: at which point i feel teh urge to also link http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/06/12/o-brave-new-code/ as it's such a perfect dialectic expose of the differences. code-about-code vs code-about-coder.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a matter of the thing. a matter of you. "ima spend a week banging on this next month, and then maybe i pick it up agaion next year" is the scheduling form ; and this means there's a post sometime next month
asciilifeform: i've enough trouble keeping track of 9000 mutually contradictory variants of every possible thing, on own disk
mircea_popescu: something like http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/04/13/bundling-with-foxybot/ works a lot better because i can generally handle it on my own and if not can discuss it there, which also helps with scheduling.
mircea_popescu: re the "I don't even know whether he tested it or how otherwise;" bit -- this is the sad effect of publishing pastes/github links etc.
diana_coman: oh, certainly; I wasn't under any illusion that ada==pascal, no; there is some danger in the perceived similarity too, basically the "false friend" type
asciilifeform: neither did modular types of arbitrary bitness, and several other minor nuts and bolts of ffa, that i cannot immediately recall.
diana_coman: oh, ugh; and yes, now you mention it I think it was same-change in Ro too ☟︎
diana_coman: aha, I liked it too; but then everywhere I went it was ...java/c/cpp
asciilifeform: funnily enough it was also taught in 9th g. of ameristani school. at least when i went to it
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:34 diana_coman: I don't even know whether he tested it or how otherwise; also not sure if there isn't some way around using Strings.Unbounded
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738857 << his keccak.adb per se, didn't use it. it was in the demo routine, for file i/o ( entirely unnecessarily) ☝︎
diana_coman: I don't even know whether he tested it or how otherwise; also not sure if there isn't some way around using Strings.Unbounded ☟︎
mircea_popescu: o yeah i wonder what he's up to
diana_coman: I've been playing around with the keccak implementation from PeterL and it seems overall all right ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:16 mircea_popescu: mon*day i mean.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine brazil doesn't have something similar.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem with vat is that yes it's fucking annoying. but on one hand it generally replaces tarriffs, ie contrary to how annoying it is it has a neutral delta (case of dun shoot the messenger) and on the other hand many jurisdictions offer credible solutions. eg, romania has no vat for corps under a certain threshold, which is why i have corps there.
mircea_popescu: mon*day i mean. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i expect the correct solution will be weekly payments on yearly contracts. otherwise we end up encouraging antieconomic behaviour.
mircea_popescu: you just say "VAT". it can not be said, this word, by itself. it must be introduced, and retrospective half-ass, i'm not even gonna mention the % is rather infuriating.
mircea_popescu: somehow the african notion of "famous" does not preclude the need to "give testimony". wouldn't i already know about him if he were famous ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "gerry john gerryjohn151@gmail.com 197.210.45.130 Submitted on 2017/11/14 at 11:16 p.m. HELLO EVERYONE I AM GIVING A TESTIMONY OF HOW I GOT RICH POWERFUL AND FAMOUS TODAY"
mod6: ah, ok. well... im not sure what the protocol is then for changing your nick in deedbot, but I'm sure trinque needs to assist you with that/
wer: i don't
wer: i logged on here 2 or 3 days ago
wer: i'm not entirely sure
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i've not worked as a caretaker of the profoundly retarded, neh, so can't say i experienced directly << Do you want to come visit before we depart for our seperate ventures? I can make introductions. Maybe even get you some shifts at the BingoBoingo store.
wer: yes i did
wer: how do i identify myself?
wer: i'm not sure
wer: how do i view my id on wot
mod6: my first time in .mx many many years ago, i was like "Bimbo Bread? wtf, don't they know..."
mircea_popescu: i'm sure.
asciilifeform: the only further insult i can think of, is if it somehow were to set the rubbish bin where i threw it, on fire
asciilifeform: oh did i mention that the antenna per se, turned out to be... old lamp cord
asciilifeform: i now recall some anthropologist who had problems giving fiction, incl simple hypotheticals, to some african sad sacks
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. let's move to a diff topic lest i thoroughly depress myself.
mircea_popescu: it's what i mean by "uncomprehended space".
mircea_popescu: you may, on a novel road, wonder if it's a dead end. i don't wonder that. i know it's a dead end. because no CONCEPTION of grid, see. it's not that they failed to implement it. it's that they don't realise such exists.
asciilifeform: i've not worked as a caretaker of the profoundly retarded, neh, so can't say i experienced directly
mircea_popescu: it can. hence, for instance, no roads here cross. they loop. dja even grok on your own what i fucking mean by this ?
davout: but i'm sure they'd accept the former, to "raise awareness"
asciilifeform: oh and did i mention, it was a ~security camera~ balun ?!
asciilifeform: oh did i mention, the balun crumbled in my hands ?
BingoBoingo: I am learning so much from her talking about her shopping process for next motor carriage
phf: hehe, somehow i read every single thing that BingoBoingo wrote about the girl as some form of double entedre
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at some point i'ma 'fan-sub' the thing (unless somebody else gets to it 1st)
mircea_popescu: i guess there's that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Girl I've been driving around as favor for her sponsor.
ben_vulpes: bb has a mentee i think?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have utterly no patience to listen to this kalman thing. i made it 13 minutes, but a) terrible snr and b) his voice is insufferable.
doppler: I wasn't saying nice going to you guys :)
mircea_popescu: i know, that's why i linked. dood has all sorts of weird.
asciilifeform: i've seen draisines on the railroad many times. but repair trucks, not limo.
asciilifeform: 'What is Doina, you ask? Is it a candy bar? A protein bar? Does it contain meat, or is it gluten free and vegan? I. Don't. Know.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: well i had the catalogs by year somewhere
asciilifeform: before i fughet, here's asciilifeform's microscopy crackpottery of the day : contact print. consider, 370,000 transistors, on item roughly 1cm x 1cm. attach to standard ccd, say the 25 megapixel sort, and image with e.g. soft xray.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'where do you plug in the electron microscope in goatfuckistan' problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to put things in readily meaningful perspective : you going "oh shit, we can use this bit i dug up out of bernstein to improve phuctor speed" is 100% what a PRIME example of such "sourced tech" would have been. that the soviets'd have paid for and the whole project involved would be decorated and congratulated after taking however long, 18 months to do it.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you. romania mostly did europe.
fromloper: I have been looking into it and maybe there is a solution. However i am no expert computer programmer
asciilifeform: at any rate i was not sitting with pacepa playing with vlsi, cannot say what part fact, what -- fiction
mircea_popescu: well what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: i've no clue why survived ( and it is by far not the only puzzle re the d00d )
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall every single wall jumper net drain on puyblic chest for whole life.
asciilifeform: ( and when the aspiring escapees, i suspect, were the upper cut of the bell curve )
mircea_popescu: i dunno
mircea_popescu: i don't think this subject of your nostalgia ever existed outside the vhs world. it's like muller.
fromloper: ascii I have been reading logs when i relevant, also Trilema site.
fromloper: I was in the http://www.loper-os.org and clicked on contact and landed in this nice pot.
asciilifeform must invoke herr babbage, 'i cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas...' ☟︎
asciilifeform: normally i would assume fromloper does not know about the log ( even though log is linked in subj line of #trilema ...! )
asciilifeform: i.e. they dun dream to live out the rest of their days in pekin
mircea_popescu: or i guess you don't count that one ?
asciilifeform: engineers likely to know moar , i suspect, than general. and cost less.
mircea_popescu: what exactly could you possibly use one for ? not like they even have the usual value of "stolen documents", i guarantee you if you examed the O-paygrade you'd find not a single soul as well informed as the famous contractor/defector.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't think of a competent anyone in the whole us army/navy/airforce brass.
mircea_popescu: i suspect because no one wants americans for any purpose.
asciilifeform: hey for all i know pacepa also stuttered
asciilifeform: rather than simply i buy a plane ticket.
asciilifeform: a defector as i understand the word, is a honoured guest of the crown
asciilifeform: ( plenty of folx from, e.g., ru, living and working in cn. but i am speaking of ~defectors~, as in 'i'd rather have a flat in pekin than continue as lt. colonel at nsa ' )
asciilifeform: anyone i might know of ?
asciilifeform: ( tho i liked the other one -- http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-28#774690 -- moar ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: but the moar i dig into ro , the more astonishing the level of fight it was able to put up
asciilifeform: hm ok i see it
asciilifeform: superficially their scheme works to this day -- i.e. 'you can elect anyone you like, but he'll be a harvaprinceyalton graduate, muhahaha'
mircea_popescu: i could reinterpret the objection in the terms of "mit ai lab had no common ideology", a copacetic statement of "they failed to republic" which is exactly what i meant by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738294 and so on. ☝︎
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, he was the proverbial nursing home patient described on trilema, who says 'died, whaddayamean, died, where is jane?! we were USED to her' re every colleague who went off to bolix or lmi
phf: mircea_popescu: i was taking a poetic liberty there. it's the new appearance of a self serving strategy where there wasn't necessarily one (or the strategy changes drastically). the core of activity shifts elsewhere, but the original points of contact are maintained for the sole purpose of taking any new ideas that might've been introduced.
mircea_popescu: i suspect he was a bureaucrat (intellectually insufficient ; aware of this ; politically ambitious) and he resented the lack of control over smarter people.
asciilifeform: i suspect that he simply did not even think about it.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
asciilifeform: rms was not ,in so far as i can tell, involved in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738171 aspects ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had the same impression. social not technological issue.