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nubbins`: ^ a monotribe taking advantage of several interesting patch points
mircea_popescu: sysadmin at the time was "you don't buy "a router". write this down : linksys wrt54g"
nubbins`: open the thing up, wire up a couple resistors and DIN5 jacks, and you've got a full-featured midi voice
asciilifeform: -everyone- has one of those
mircea_popescu: i had one of those
asciilifeform: and the product faded away
asciilifeform: this is rather reminiscent of how the famous linksys wrt54g hyper-bestseller slowly shrank and shrank, from 16 and then 8 and then 4 (even 2!) MB of ram, linux could no longer be used on it
nubbins` owns a synth that has MIDI in/out capabilities baked into cpu, but mfg didn't waste the extra $2 on MIDI ports
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that one is gone too
asciilifeform: and, the successor to this (out of print) machine is quite similar but no sata.
mircea_popescu: Chillum amusingly this is what asciilifeform wanted to do.
asciilifeform: for instance, there was at one point a pogo entirely like this one but 256M.
nubbins`: these were probably dumped to the surplus people en masse 4 years ago
Chillum: they should just have a physical "root access" switch on the box. Leaving backdoors for people to find is reckless
mircea_popescu: nubbins` we can now just capture the packets and "activate" any pogo anywhere on the basis of another pogo can't we.
asciilifeform: it is interesting that the actual contents of the can has been shrinking continuously over the years
nubbins`: TBH i think they did include rootability as a hobbyist bonus, AND they made way, way too many
mircea_popescu: resulting in a transfer of value from the dudes to us.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you log into website, "activate" pogo, then can enable ssh login via website
mircea_popescu: my explanation is that because of the standardization of everything, the makers just made them "as they're made" ie prevailing bs (business standards) and the buyers bought and marketed them "As they're marketed"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ironically, this item was bought as a loss leader, and so, it would specifically NOT be wanted to be used this way.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i tried it with one of my pogos
asciilifeform: Chillum: this particular item is an oddity in this regard, because it is very clearly a loss-leader
mircea_popescu: ^ Chillum this makes sense, and it's why this is probably happening here
Chillum: I think that sometimes companies intentionally make their devices rootable because they know hobbyists will buy boxes of them if they can root it
asciilifeform: nubbins`: notice how nobody here bothered with the 'request unlock' thing or even knows if it ever worked ☟︎
nubbins`: and then there's serial :D
nubbins`: there's also a built-in "request unlock from pogo" thing
mircea_popescu: go through webcasts to see how people deal with this normally.
mircea_popescu: yes, to the degree it'd be depicted there, this man is an oscar winner.
mircea_popescu: and THEN they can only act in "certain spaces".
asciilifeform: does sprezzatura really call for top-notch general-purpose acting skill ?
mircea_popescu: not, "superhot blonde rare". that's 1 in 100. people who can act are in 1 in 10k
nubbins`: Chillum: a stock pogo will spread cheeks thusly: curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@[PogoplugIPAddress]/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";
mircea_popescu: but i have, and i tell you... people who can act are RARE.
mircea_popescu: srsly now. this theory of yours would be perhaps appealing had i not spent any time on a set.
mircea_popescu: if he could act that well i'd know his name.
Chillum: nubbins`: technology!
mircea_popescu: as in "of course i could but i wonder how this woman is trying to trick me" ?
mircea_popescu: dude, you're telling me that first jew boy with the rolling eyes and the slow repeating the task is putting out an act ?
asciilifeform: it is 'declasse' to admit that you can make a flashlight, at a 'sprezzatura' wankfest
asciilifeform: them against each other, while trying to portray themselves as super-achieving entrepreneurial mavericks who can't be pinned down to a mere set of marketable skills.'
asciilifeform: ive on the subject of money, and cultivate a posh country set atmosphere, even if they are just one generation out of the coal mines. Ask them to solve a technical problem — and they will politely demur, often taking the opportunity to flash their wit with a self-deprecating joke or two. ... The natives at the top always try to standardize the job descriptions and lower the pay scale of the immigrants at the bottom, playing
asciilifeform: 'I have had a chance to observe quite a few companies in the U.S. from the inside, and have spotted a certain constancy in the staffing profile. At the top, there is a group of highly compensated senior lunch-eaters. They tend to spend all of their time pleasing each other in various ways, big and small. They often hold advanced degrees in disciplines such as Technical Schmoozing and Relativistic Bean-counting. They are obsess
mircea_popescu: probably a few, including videofraud . but tell ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can think of an alternate hypothesis about the flashlight thing
mircea_popescu: it really is a great montage that, what with the bovine derping about how "we ARE" etc.
Chillum: so you open the port to ssh, but how do you get root?
Chillum: nubbins`: neat, I assume you open the telnet port?
asciilifeform: 30 years later in this process the fucking mit grads can't make a flashlight << aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but there is genetic indication of suinity.
nubbins`: <+Chillum> you can open ports on a lot of routers by using ajax to make a http post that looks like IRC commands <<< this is actually how you root the pogo without attaching a serial cable
mircea_popescu: but anyway, even wioth the arts, the distinction holds : the patron has no particular taste, merely money and friends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: "is luser luser because on windoze, << the older version of this was, iirc, 'do styes make pigs' ?
mircea_popescu: patron-client relationship is what i tought you meant, off the ancient post-imperial and late-imperial model.
Adlai: doesn't sound like a Patron of the Arts to me
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: many folks use mac addrs in routing tables <<< this
mircea_popescu: ie, rich guy back east, went west to start a farm, sucked at it.
mircea_popescu: dude farmer is a term of art from back in the day the us mattered.
mircea_popescu: if this worked teh us'd be numero uno.
Adlai: yeh, rule by the patrons. those who can afford to patronize, as opposed to - serfs
mircea_popescu: they ALL own fleshlights tho.
mircea_popescu: and i mean... the fact that us young adults score worse than anyone else is not a direct product. they worked to get there : the school's so dumb, why learn ; the kids aren't learning anyway why not make it dumber... 30 years later in this process the fucking mit grads can't make a flashlight
mircea_popescu: this should be a term of art.
mircea_popescu: leaving us to wonder whether the stupid tools drive the stupidity of the people, or stem from the stupidity of the people involved.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> 90% of lines were "hello x", 90% of the remainder "so how's it going". maybe 1 in 4 hello-handshakes succeeded, and less than 1 in 100 went past 2nd pass.//roughly matching avg. attention spans
mircea_popescu: the general depth of conversation mirrored quite exactly the office.
mircea_popescu: 90% of lines were "hello x", 90% of the remainder "so how's it going". maybe 1 in 4 hello-handshakes succeeded, and less than 1 in 100 went past 2nd pass.
Adlai: generally the participants of such institutions only attend due to coercion, whether physical or implied
mircea_popescu: exactly this.
mircea_popescu: have you seen the content ?
Adlai is amazed that any channels survive with "no public logs" policies
mircea_popescu: which is what the forum oughta be.
mircea_popescu: permanent log online + gribble ;;later tell for noobs - > wunderbar system of thought management.
asciilifeform: Chillum: we routinely 'argue with recordings' of one another. this is how #b-a folk handle the fact that not everyone lives at his computer
mircea_popescu: i thought most certs were ecdsa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rsa per se is not even really involved in all this o.O
mircea_popescu: Chillum i'm just going through the logs. pretty much everyone here reads the whole shebang.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think he was speaking of rsa per se
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mircea_popescu: they just happen to be the wrong policies by the wrong people for the wrong purposes is all.
asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 16:50:28; Chillum: the math is solid regardless of implementation failures/sabotage
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078823 << there's no math behind either ssl or pki, or the usg for that matter. they are political arrangements, "sets of procedures and people" and whatnot.
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asciilifeform: fw_setenv reflashes those blocks to hold new text
asciilifeform: the fw_printenv thing simply dumps the text found therein
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asciilifeform: the config thing lives at a certain offset (forget where) in mtd0
asciilifeform: incidentally, the uboot fw_xxxx tools are very simple:
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asciilifeform: can safely toss the pieces of shit with systemd, etc. now.
asciilifeform: nand - can be operated from inside this turdel.
asciilifeform: if you copy the uboot tools to a writable external disk
asciilifeform: ^ this can replace arch and debian now, which folks have been using
asciilifeform: b94fb4736e0fa1394784d1139fe8262df450bb945c846e6bd1eda70d2c55679ccf8b7679e08c10d00aaf3dbebf9245875f3001654cf48ce5d1ac4e3c0cffce84 turdel_latest.gz
mircea_popescu: a cognate of any claim to authority on any matter not deriving from la serenissima is both fraudulent and actionable.
mircea_popescu: the bug in pki is that any system designed or proposed by any party other than us is security poison.
asciilifeform: but anyone who wants to, -can- flash this into nand in place of existing kernel
asciilifeform: but this is not -quite- it.