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BingoBoingo: Poking suggests otherwise. It's a reverse proxy. It can be deployed as a webserver and people deploy it as that, but it was designed around a different job.
BingoBoingo: Nginx is a sort of polyurethane "gorilla glue", very african. The details can be glossed over in a way that makes it appear very cool until pressure reveals a bunch of gaps have been filled up with exactly foam rubber.
BingoBoingo: Depending on what you need apache can be titebond II or titebond III, If everything else is on point you can beat it to hold your toothpicks.
BingoBoingo: We don't use horses in this glue factory. Too expensive.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: apache afaik is hands down best horse in that glue factory.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, the "smart" alternatives that implement "clever" die sooner
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're all exactly same from this pov
asciilifeform: sorta like, building bridge of solid rock all the way from road to sea floor is great, if you have infinite rock, but is titanic waste, if yer at all interested in max bang for yer cement bux
BingoBoingo: After spending substantial time as a skeptic apache beats the "smarter" alternatives (lighttpd, nginx, cherokee, etc)to apache
asciilifeform: it doesn't stop being retarded simply cuz mircea_popescu and for that matter asciilifeform give the thing 256GB of ram to run it and never see the barf ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not nearly as serious a problem in apache as you seem to think.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there even exists a publication currently that manages 500 reader-days. period and full stop, the fucking bible doesn't get that.
asciilifeform: this is well studied in trb, but applies elsewhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my objection is to the prng element in apache and other heapistic proggies, where actual resource consumption is a function not only of req rate, but how much footprint of each one happened to be , fragging the heap
mircea_popescu: moreover, considering it takes 10 minutes or more to ~read~ an article and whatever, a second or less to actually load it, even being able to serve 1 request/s is fucking ample, each day you will have put out 600 day-reader worth of material.
mircea_popescu: one could also say "there's not THAT MANY PEOPLE, and if there are they can sure as fuck wait". which, also fine.
BingoBoingo: The weakest link on the Internet are... the links
mircea_popescu: i mean, pick a thoroughput you wish, build the box, that's what you get.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, the server actually spits out in excess of 2k pageloads / s, as a matter of actuarial evidence.
asciilifeform: it really shouldnt require a n-fold overprovisioned machine tho.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the reason you were seeing at some point slightly longer pageloads is precisely that, it'll serve you when it gets to you. and if you decide (if ~you~ decide) that whenever's too late and timeout, more power to you, feel free to retry.
asciilifeform: aha, simply eats 10x ( or even moar ) current than really oughta.
mircea_popescu: but this is not some kind of xanadu. item exists.
mircea_popescu: and yes, a properly configured webserver serves at line speed, in the sense that the way to ddos is by overwhelming ~the router~ not the webserver. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the issue on http is generally packets rather than bytes.
a111: 16 results for "what i think it crashes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=what%20i%20think%20it%20crashes
asciilifeform: !#s what i think it crashes
mircea_popescu: the cycles go 70-80% user / 10-15% system / etc whether there's 5 or 500 people asking for a page, it just doesn't figure into some sort of cycle economy
asciilifeform: i'll believe, will assume mircea_popescu actually tested with a lan-connected box requesting loads at gb/s or whichever. but to make this guarantee with apache and other heapistic softs, needs massive margin of iron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cycles/s or ram bytes about as meaningful in this discussion, might as well ask "how much free memory". no such thing, really.
asciilifeform: if architecture of bldgs worked the way apache is worked, all structures would be pyramid
mircea_popescu: atm eg doing ~220 connections / .1s sorta thing. the problem's the would-be attackers output capacity, not some kind of limit on trilema side. it'll serve as much as dood can send through.
mircea_popescu: well, trilema's not dead, is it.
mircea_popescu: as exemplified by the point in case.
asciilifeform: and ( again like trb ) it dies disgracefully at the boundary of capacity,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is roughly like trb - can throw iron at it until it eats the desired reqs/sec without shitting self. but, just as in trb, it's a barbaric/empirical ritual, quite impossible to say 'on napkin' how much cpu will yield what # of what kB pg served /sec w.out falling
mircea_popescu: it's not like microshit hired a different set of eggheads than populated slashdot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the microshit people, innocent of opensores, did same, it's a c macula
asciilifeform: ( at the risk of pedantry : they used ~heapism~ . consequently, found it impossible to answer the q 'does machine have the cycles to do this-here request?' in o(1) ! )
asciilifeform: if the cycles aint there to serve a page or whatever op, then simply shouldnt ACK, that's it
asciilifeform: why the fuck should it ever fall down.
asciilifeform: incidentally, imho it's rather perverse that the popularly expected behaviour in 'moar server reqs / sec. than can be serviced' is 'fall down' rather than 'triage + busy signal'
a111: Logged on 2019-01-20 17:20 mircea_popescu: apparently 200 reqs ~per 100ms~ (that's how long it takes to complete one) is not enough to bring it down.
BingoBoingo: My experience and experiments among the unthinking yet literate is that in spoken language situations the behavior channel carries more information than the "language" channel.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-21 17:07 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888880 -> this reminds me of "after first 10 languages or so, ALL the rest are really easy to learn" lol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888953 << imho all the roman langs count as 1!111 (ditto germans; slavs; etc) ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is somebody 'stress testing' trilema box ? thing seems to give 1+sec pg load time, for coupla days nao
mircea_popescu: lead pens ftw, how sweeter the love!
mircea_popescu: and you said it was to show that you were my sweetheart and I was yours. But I suppose you've eaten the one I gave you?"
mircea_popescu: and thus restaurated, we can then continue our readings of the morn! to wit : "You didn't talk like that before," said Dulcie plaintively. "I—I thought perhaps you'd be glad to see me. You were once. And—and—when you went away last you asked me to—to—kiss you, and I did, and I wish I hadn't. And you gave me a ginger[Pg 72] lozenge with your name written on it in lead pencil, and I gave you a cough-lozenge with mine;
mircea_popescu: gotta get that cholesterol up somehow.
mircea_popescu: and for desert -- breakfast doesn;t take desert ?! who says ! -- cashew chocolate paste and (separately!) cozonac filling, served on scottish-style shortbread cookies.
mircea_popescu: to be served on a bed of lettuce ; on the side : smoked sprats and eggs overed easy with cayenne pepper.
mircea_popescu: in a bowl you flake smoked trout, with chunked : onion (red, raw), pickled gherkins (salt pickles, not vinegar "pickles"), artichoke ; add capers, fresh (or salt-pickled) tarragon leaf. the base cheese is something sweet (schweizer works fine in this instant example), the signatuer cheese is something sharp (here, a very fine camambert, but ideally, casu marzu, well ripe).
mircea_popescu: sooo... while the right-honourable ingredients involved sit for a moment in a bowl to make friends with each other, allow me to describe for posterity what is right and properly known as "the despration breakfast".
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'numpy' ( 1 of the few useful libs for that lang, does various numericalmethods ) Officially turns tard, proclaims 'this is last ver to support python 2.7, from nao on 3'
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty
Mocky: ok thx
trinque: I'll get to it shortly
trinque: Mocky: nope, just people have been pinging me when they have a deposit, since running them is a human step.
Mocky: trinque is there anything wrong with my deposit from a week ago sunday? It seems not to have gone thru
a111: Logged on 2019-01-17 22:19 lobbes: ty BingoBoingo. login successful. Will attempt irssi setup later and report back
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-17#1888176 << to update: I've just now set up irssi on the box with no issues. ty again ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-21 16:03 mircea_popescu: they really are not hard, especially once one stops whiteknuckling quite so hard.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888880 -> this reminds me of "after first 10 languages or so, ALL the rest are really easy to learn" lol ☝︎☟︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/unrest-today-israel-kills-4-syrian-soldiers-in-airstrike-after-syria-rejected-israeli-demand-not-to-shoot-down-missiles-during-earlier-airstrike/ << Qntra -- Unrest Today: Israel Kills 4 Syrian Soldiers In Airstrike After Syria Rejected Israeli Demand Not To Shoot Down Missiles During Earlier Airstrike
asciilifeform played 'quake' on 486 'dx2', at 11fps... but no tear!11
asciilifeform: today -- even emacs tears.
asciilifeform: depressing subj, back when i had crt, never 1ce saw 'frame tear', not since cga days at any rate
asciilifeform: ( this is ~already~ a metre or whatever - sized sram ! )
asciilifeform: ( which , if lcd, is ~regardless~ stuck latching the bits, even nao )
asciilifeform: iirc we even had a 2014 thread, whole thing where machine shits the frame to the lcd at N hz, is retarded, framebuffer oughta live in the display
mircea_popescu: o yeah. you should see this "large screen", scrolls visibly on diagonal.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, even the 60hz panels are 'step back' in that they have sloppy vsync, frames tear.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-21 00:27 asciilifeform: i had a 30k$ sgi 3d viewer thing, worked ok ( 1 part 50kg crt, other part went on yer head. ) point is that nao you can get ~same thing for 100. not that there's much in the way of people who are still doing any of this afaik.
asciilifeform: in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888701 days, that crt was already the last 1 in the lab ( the headpiece was a lcd shutter, and demanded a 120hz display to output the left-right sequential frames. so had to crt. ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and even then -- nothing under 2-3k or so worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: other than terminals which are habitually filmed, i can't imagine what use for non-60hz refresh.
asciilifeform: you can buy'em, supposedly, but they have castrated palette
mircea_popescu: back then, if it came to it, could give luser knob, make it 10khz
mircea_popescu: well, much harder to do on the new shits than was on crt.
asciilifeform: ( interesting 'step backwards' if you thinkaboutit.. )
asciilifeform: i dun think i even have any moar displays that do >60
mircea_popescu: i think it's actually capped at 60 in configs tho.
asciilifeform: i also thought there was in the l0gz a place where somebody measured it with 'soft' 3d and it gave 60+hz. ( can't seem to dig up tho )
mircea_popescu: most machines today have a vidcard for the whole rounded corners bs anyways.
mircea_popescu: it's not very intensive ; and pretty sure we talked about this befoar.
asciilifeform: re eulora -- occurred to asciilifeform to wonder, does the thing actually demand the 3d card ? or could just as readily polygonize with cpu
mircea_popescu: you asked what more, yes ? i told.
mircea_popescu: as per ye olde omnibus->autobus broken etymologyu tradition.
mircea_popescu: in other euloraleaks, it seems self-evident that by the time we're done writing a kernel in ada, the os will be called auntoo, right.
asciilifeform pushes to queue
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and watch the it, not the ru dialogues lol.
mircea_popescu: bette davis' last role, together with a decent it crew (mangano, sordi).
mircea_popescu: i literally know people who would genocide the country for this one sin.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 mircea_popescu: and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves as impopular as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time.
mircea_popescu: possibly the #1 extant item which puts russkis today in the situation of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826770 ☝︎
asciilifeform: there's oddballs continuing the 'fine tradition' out of , i suspect, sheer nostalgia. ( i do not know whether they use clothespin or get somebody to break nose tho... )
mircea_popescu: WHO THE FCUK could POSSIBLY!!!! in any conceivable universe!!!! want to hear some ukr cosmetologist INSTEAD of bette davis ?
mircea_popescu: lol. such an inept habit this. even today, you know, download some film, discover it has a ru spoken track, that's it.