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phf: it might be a sign of old age, that you attract those tiny kittens, and while they talk you're like "jesus fucking christ you're so dumb", but then you tell them to do a little trick and they do it almost correctly, and you're like "oh hey you're educable, neat, what else can you do"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is this code for "bb got laid" << Nah, she's a white girl. Practically has a Cherenkov glow of warning signs, but is making an effort to stay sober. Is however a source of entertainment watching the petite weapon of mass destruction operate. Much as the BingoBoingo is a valuable customer service lab, driving this kitten around is valuable wmd development lab.
BingoBoingo: Lol, her sponsor is a a lady who is trying to guide miss trainwreck through 12 steps and figured "Hey, she needs to learn how to make friends. BingoBoingo, here's a chance to practice some patience and let her try to be your friend"
ben_vulpes: bb has a mentee i think?
BingoBoingo: In further developments, little miss trainwreck has just had a tire swapped on her motor carriage for the 7th time in 2 weeks
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: transracialism is a thing!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have utterly no patience to listen to this kalman thing. i made it 13 minutes, but a) terrible snr and b) his voice is insufferable.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform buys a chinesium hf-to-120mhz upconverter thing for rtlsdr , and discovers that he has to take the thing apart and trace pcb traces, and crosscheck with chipset data sheet, to learn which hose is 'in' and which is 'out' ! they did not bother to label ! ( not even in chinese . )
asciilifeform: 'What is Doina, you ask? Is it a candy bar? A protein bar? Does it contain meat, or is it gluten free and vegan? I. Don't. Know.' << lol!!
asciilifeform: semiconductor -- was the item about which gave a shit.
mircea_popescu: the pacepa nutteries with assassinations etc -- footnote, if present. then, as now, ~nobody gave a shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway. between this, "tech spying" and a whole lot of coutnerintel and military wankery, you've 99% of ro activity in the cold war. the former half minor in the early part and growing monotonously to come to overshadow latter part by 70s.
asciilifeform: it was a problem even for asciilifeform's father, cloning film projectors and discovering that the necessary spring steel could not be had
asciilifeform: well there was also a (c)
mircea_popescu: it was that a) it didn't know what to steal (as per above re lisp) and b) it couldn't steal fast enough.
mircea_popescu: that was the level. the problem with the romanians wasn't that they couldn't steal -- of course they could ; nor that it was in any way immoral or dubious to steal -- holy hell, country-in-development trying to catch up with technology, a good half of the techs involved were sympathetic anyway.
asciilifeform: well yes it's what asciilifeform's father did for a living
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to put things in readily meaningful perspective : you going "oh shit, we can use this bit i dug up out of bernstein to improve phuctor speed" is 100% what a PRIME example of such "sourced tech" would have been. that the soviets'd have paid for and the whole project involved would be decorated and congratulated after taking however long, 18 months to do it.
mircea_popescu: they're fucked in the head, it's a cultural disease.
asciilifeform: this has got to be a new record.
fromloper: Banks curently keep a records of all txs and each account holder gets a personal statement
asciilifeform: fromloper: what is the problem to which you wish to see 'a solution' ?
fromloper: I have been looking into it and maybe there is a solution. However i am no expert computer programmer
asciilifeform: fromloper: how would you propose to make a bitcoin without monotonically increasing data set ?
asciilifeform: fromloper: how does one go about solving a wholly fictional problem ?
mircea_popescu: defected as a 50yo. a 50yo ready to claim oswald worked for kgb.
mircea_popescu: a dubious story altogether.
mircea_popescu: romanians got them from the soviets as a general rule.
asciilifeform: pacepa describes the afaik factual reason why his master gave a shit : semiconductor
mircea_popescu: rly ? cuz what, he had a martha stewart type show on tv ?
mircea_popescu: this makes a point of some kind ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'defectors' it is a quite nostalgic subject for asciilifeform , because it is an item from meanwhile wholly vanished, like roman empire, age, where escape from an empire was simply a matter of getting through a wall
asciilifeform: generally noobs are advised to read the log for a spell, before considering whether they have something to say
mircea_popescu: lol dood clicked a link, landed in pot.
asciilifeform: fromloper: you just linked to a logtron. with search.
mircea_popescu: what exactly could you possibly use one for ? not like they even have the usual value of "stolen documents", i guarantee you if you examed the O-paygrade you'd find not a single soul as well informed as the famous contractor/defector.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't think of a competent anyone in the whole us army/navy/airforce brass.
asciilifeform: su found a use for martin&mitchell. and buncha other similars. even for oswald, lol
mircea_popescu: it's not common for eg greeks or italians to go crazy over "the beatles", they simply make a local band like that and that's it.
mircea_popescu: you'\re still missing the important point. usg is looking for a brand to show its large citizenry. much like every attempt to hold a tech fconference in argentina degenerates into a bunch of local tards speaking/stepping over each other to blather meaninglessly in the hope of thereby attaining a certificate of humanhood from the foreigners,
asciilifeform: rather than simply i buy a plane ticket.
asciilifeform: a defector as i understand the word, is a honoured guest of the crown
asciilifeform: ( plenty of folx from, e.g., ru, living and working in cn. but i am speaking of ~defectors~, as in 'i'd rather have a flat in pekin than continue as lt. colonel at nsa ' )
mircea_popescu: a, lots.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 21:40 mircea_popescu: very much it. extremely easy to defeat ustardation : just say no. it helps if you have a fully built system providing an alternative.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738408 << at the risk of repeating ancient thread, imho if there were a ready alternative ( as in geographic , rather than merely ideological ) to usa, for the remaining ~functional people to defect to -- usa wouldn't last a week ☝︎
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUfeuosbeJg << 1968 speech. "invasion a mistake and inconceivable outrage" most of the applause THAT time is genuine. "no justification available and no reasoning may be accepted" and so on.
asciilifeform: not much of a talker, but he was quick enuff on his feet ( pointedly unlike the su gerontocrats )
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in spite of an inability to speak in public, or to make sense, extemporaneously or not, ceausescu was a major player in the status quo of 70s and 80s. that whole "don't mix into the affairs of others", very strong nationalism, managed to paralyze the us-owned and hosted un for two decafdes.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-28 19:19 asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your boot knife
mircea_popescu: very much it. extremely easy to defeat ustardation : just say no. it helps if you have a fully built system providing an alternative. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the latter needed moar size ; the former a better ideology. evidently worked for eg china, so there is some tolerance.
mircea_popescu: the over-reaching all-important point is that had the dudes of 1985 produced an ideologically-closed system, by 1995 there'd have been a WHERE for people to go, other than windows.
mircea_popescu: until macrosensible nobody even in bad dreams considers the cancer a threat.
asciilifeform: until mid '90s nobody even in bad dreams considered it a threat to industrial iron tho.
mircea_popescu: that final "all the better" being the republic part. they failed to construct this system whereby extreme violence applied to everyone else was a net positive, in and of itself, for no other reason.
mircea_popescu: and if this takes putting a few million instagramers on stakes, ALL THE BETTER.
mircea_popescu: and thereby, an ivory on every desk not a fucking windows.
mircea_popescu: fatness is not a goal of anything but pigs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it doesn't do anything. works like a painting works.
asciilifeform: superficially their scheme works to this day -- i.e. 'you can elect anyone you like, but he'll be a harvaprinceyalton graduate, muhahaha'
asciilifeform: oxford was a kind of su, or ro if you like, self-fueling
mircea_popescu: nope. they drag the local barristas into the campus by the hair to be raped for a weekend at a time.
asciilifeform: re ai lab -- mircea_popescu how do you picture a buncha taxpayer-funded academics not-'failing-to-republic' , hypothetically ?
mircea_popescu: nytimes also didn't "picture itself in competition with the weird net kids". and so following, chuck e cheese dude's "ipad restaurant" didn't see itself in competition with phones. "it's a restaurant". no it's not.
mircea_popescu: i could reinterpret the objection in the terms of "mit ai lab had no common ideology", a copacetic statement of "they failed to republic" which is exactly what i meant by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738294 and so on. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: given that a) someone was going to make a billion dollars and b) it'd have been preferable it not be gates & jobs.
phf: mircea_popescu: i was taking a poetic liberty there. it's the new appearance of a self serving strategy where there wasn't necessarily one (or the strategy changes drastically). the core of activity shifts elsewhere, but the original points of contact are maintained for the sole purpose of taking any new ideas that might've been introduced.
mircea_popescu: i suspect he was a bureaucrat (intellectually insufficient ; aware of this ; politically ambitious) and he resented the lack of control over smarter people.
mircea_popescu: it is particularily difficult to explain what one means by theft of a) ideal objects by b) parties who actually own them intellectually and c) when the objects were produced within their lifetimes.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
phf: well, rms's nervous break down makes some sense when you actually read the code. there's a very obvious clear "steal everything that's not bolted" going on. cadr's SYSTEM sources were being developed in parallel with symbolics and LMI (to the point that there are conditionals in the cadr's code to compile os both on lmi and genera), with interactions slowly decreasing over time
mircea_popescu: phf i had the idea cadr more of a common ancestor, to smbx too.
mircea_popescu: amusingly bucharest had nfi idea at the time it COULKD have done such a thing. literally 0 conception of what any of the items we're discussing here WERE. at all. not even the priors present.
asciilifeform: hey if pyongyang or bucharest were running a lispm project and invited defectors, i suspect folx would've come
asciilifeform: asciilifeform ( and quite a few other folx, i suspect even earlier ) realized in ~2005 that it was eminently practical with modern silicon
asciilifeform: item grew as the iron became available ( i do not even say 'affordable' , thing was a 'cost no object' design, like aston-martin )
asciilifeform: whole thing was a valiant effort to make a thing that was just short of technologically impossible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform typical pc has the following situation : 64 bit registers, 128 bit memory, 1024 bit disk sectors, 64 mb video buffers, and atop sitting a drunk driver who thinks 8 bits are a byte. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how is a 1GB ram chip store the 2^30 bits ?
asciilifeform: what's the use of simultaneously lighting up a whole line, simply to blow the clock cycle on reading 1 bit ??
mircea_popescu: now suppose i want to read some of this memory. what happens is that the controller reads A WHOLE LINE, and then selects from it the bit i wanted and spits it out.
asciilifeform: but even with the widest, you will need quite a few to make machine with, e.g., 8192-bit word. ( and your cpu now needs 8192bit regs 0
asciilifeform: at one time they were uncommon, and a stick of memory tended to have as many chips as the bus bitness
asciilifeform: so you can readily buy, e.g., 16x1 i.e. 65536 bits of ram, addressable 1 bit at a time
mircea_popescu: consider if you wrote/read the disk/net/video 1mb at a time.
asciilifeform: there being a relationship at all, comes from the fact that the two types of bucket regularly get emptied into one another
asciilifeform: well orig q was 'why is there a relationship' but seems like mircea_popescu is really asking 'why pc regs so tiny'
asciilifeform: but a page is simply a fixed qty of addressable machinewords
asciilifeform: pages are not a fundamental unit tho
mircea_popescu: let's instead say thatr we have a modern machine, with 64 bit bytes and 1mb bit pages.
mircea_popescu: why, again, is there a relation between cpu register bit width and memory-allocation-unit bit width ?
mircea_popescu: since we're doing this, here's a fundamental point i don't understand.
asciilifeform: ividual bought the assets and Kalman spent 4 years as a "captive consultant" for him. Since 2002, when he ran out of money, I've worked for Ab Initio (doing nothing with lisp except emacs hacks).'
asciilifeform: Kalman was hired after that by Symbolics Technology, Inc., who had acquired the assets of Symbolics from the bankruptcy court, to work on further productizing the emulator for the Alpha. This was used by John Mallery at MIT to run his document distribution system for the White House during the Clinton presidency. When the owners of that venture decided that a financial company had no business owning a computer company, a private ind
asciilifeform: 'Kalman Reti worked for Symbolics from 1982 through 1992, mostly on VLSI tools for Ivory but also writing low-level device support (e.g. a LMFS recovery utility, R/W optical drive support, LZW compressor, etc.) The last few years of that were spent doing customer consulting. After being laid off when Symbolics went into chapter 11, Kalman worked for Apple in Cambridge, first on MCL and later, after MCL was sold to Digitool, on Dylan.
mircea_popescu: i know a bunch of imbeciles who should speak a lot more hesitatingly than this guy. such as for instance ~everyone not-white. somehow, they don't, going all the way to like obama daring to even open his mouth in public.
mircea_popescu: who wants to bring up a speech to text thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc there was a captioned version on youtube. but seems to have evaporated.
asciilifeform: the bolix people fit a complete lisp-to-silicon system in less space than taken by original 'wolfenstein' .