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mircea_popescu: so yes, in
the sense of
the shittiest parts,
they, just like us, and like everyone ever was or ever could be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there's no question
that cowardice, stupidty and indignity are countryless.
mircea_popescu: now, how's "i do not repent me" square with
the "i do repent what archeology seems
to show"
mircea_popescu: shakespeare's chinese in shaw's view,
to render
the matter in
this discussion's
terminology.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 16:20 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769922 << "You suddenly see
that Shakespear, with all his flashes and divinations, never understood virtue and courage, never conceived how any man who was not a fool could, like Bunyan’s hero, look back from
the brink of
the river of death over
the strife and labor of his pilgrimage, and say 'yet I do not repent me'; or, with
the panache of a millionaire, bequeath 'my sword
to him
that sh
mircea_popescu: "artistic" as opposed
to "conventional" in much
the same way you propose "authentic" oppose "coherent". but mind for a second -- if your army's based on
the enemy, you have no army at all, yes ?
mircea_popescu: shall i quote 1880s
to you ? here : "The room was a long and lofty one, furnished in
the stern uncompromising style of
the Mahogany Age, now supplanted by
the later fashions of decoration which, in
their outset original and artistic, seem fairly on
the way
to become as meaningless and conventional."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not necessarily, which is why
the "musical revolution" of post great war. "atonal", right, you know it must be real music because it's not
the
tedious curliqued post-post-mozart nonsense.
mircea_popescu: in any case,
the notice's inescapable,
that "china -- real history because real nation, just like us ; actresses, not." a lot hangs on
that "just like us".
mircea_popescu: very much fucking needed, because otherwise how
to answer ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, of course it goes straight
to
the core of what nationalism ~is~, very much not "a concept we no longer need" as various low level slash "moderate" socialists propose.
mircea_popescu: (i'm not even proposing it can't be so credited ; i just
think
the question can't be handwaved.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if you don't credit
these actresses a real history, why do you credit china a real history ?
mircea_popescu: produce me a list of all
the actresses of whom it was said "eternal performance" in any
theatrical season of your choice, before ww2 started, sau.
mircea_popescu: MULTIPLE
TIMES A FUCKING SEASON. each fucking season. like in 1919. can you even say who was
the
top actress of
the stage, 1919 ?
mircea_popescu: kinda like how
the magic acre goes,
tho. do you know how many
times it was said in broadway sheets, "this performance is eternal" ? can you recount any of
them ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's a lot like drafted actor going, "what, i died
three
thousand dozen
times on broadway stages before
tonight". "yes, but you weren't serious about it."
mircea_popescu: people in all
times and places have
this unquenchable
thirst for
the cheap yet dysfunctional.
the whole king-fiction of medieval europe is chinesium before china were even invented by
the brits.
mircea_popescu: "my bones can feel
the absence
though my eyes can't perceive
the difference"
mircea_popescu: who was
the me in all
the groups of girlies before i showed up ? "a calling metaphysical", who cares.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't believe
there's necessarily an answer at all, let alone in o(1).
mircea_popescu: somehow
the stories fat frumos don't seem
to include marriage by fruit of his labours "on
the field". because you can't spank your own monkey into a wife anymore
than you can douchebag your way into #trilema or pull yourself
to moon by britches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except, of course, if it's any kind of magical horse, with powers.
then daddy gives, yes ?
mircea_popescu: yes, red army
took all morons, catastrophic desperation, not encountered in europe since long before 900ad. nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: don't
tell me "grew on land king gave you" lest i fall over.
mircea_popescu: "o no mp,
that was
the knight's own horse, which he... founded it." "i'm sure. cuz lotta loose horses about, on
the king's lands."
mircea_popescu: (notice, for
the noob,
that
the woman ~is actually depicted~ in
the above illustration. she happens
to be quadripedal, but as #metoo
taught you,
this shouldn't matter IN FAIRNESS.)
mircea_popescu: from "x is
the only possible function of y" dun follow
that y will ever even happen, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're
thinking of
the wrong end again, lol. lord possibly wants a dozen or a grosse concubines, and one or a dozen knaves. so he marries some of
the girls off. "but what are all
the OTHER boys
to do ???" "keks."
mircea_popescu: and
this is how it worked, historically,
too. contrary
to loud pretense claiming otherwise, marriage created a pleb's reinterpretation of ye olde vasselage between an old man and a young'un.
mircea_popescu: "but i found her before he did, and i
told her she's not a whore before she was". "yes, imperfect communication systems in olde sovoke"
mircea_popescu: not even. rather,
that
they invented
the pill doesn't mean much changes, because
the ~pretense~ was
that "they're fucking your wife because
they don't feel like raising her children".
the
TRUTH was
that "the only possible way human affairs are settled is -- boss has a harem, you wish
to work for boss so
therefore marry one of his whores".
mircea_popescu: because you'd have
to be an exceptionally unwordly curmudgeon
to imagine you've cut anything out of
this fucking worl.
mircea_popescu: please expand on how
the corner was hidden rather
than cut.
mircea_popescu: so one day, when
they kick
their football into your window, you, instead of giving it back (as
trees, before), you... you... what do you do ?
TEAR IT UP!!! is
that it ?
mircea_popescu: suppose you live somewhere where
there grow kids (specifically, like
trees, because
that's how it goes -- nobody cares).
mircea_popescu: anyone who wants
to believe is welcome
to. i... i have serious problems with works of fiction, as
the logs no doubt attest.
mircea_popescu: and yes, on occasion "new discovery -- hides
this corner, voila children, whole
thing gone!! believe!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point being specifically,
that it IS ALREADY HAPPENING.
mircea_popescu: which is a process
that speaks ~as
to your status~, not as
to her.
mircea_popescu: in more settled
times,
the chief of
the office has a harem already, and
to work in
there you aspire
to... ~marry one~.
mircea_popescu: this is simpy naive reconstruction of
the feudal system from
the other end.
mircea_popescu: that
they were married already,
to some loser, was
the best possible quality a horny 20something could bring
to
the
table.
mircea_popescu: because, obviously, nobody wanted
to be stuck with
the end results of
the hussies' fertility.
mircea_popescu: consider a simple case : sovok consisted of men in positions of feudal power (such as boss of factory, chief of an office, whatever) fucking
the prettier "married" women in
their charge.
mircea_popescu: the only fundamental quality of man is
that man can be happy in any circumstance.
mircea_popescu: you
take a view of man as spherical-chicken-in-vacuum, which is at best naive.
mircea_popescu: nah.
there was a brief window during which amateur efforts actually paid enough
to make
them competitive.
mircea_popescu: the only way wedding can work, is uniting
the master's concubine with
the vassal. "you can only have one", ie, only one word, and only one honor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there evidently was an amateur hour, proof being
the concept of "wedding", uniting one man and one woman in some sort of equal relationship.
mircea_popescu: failure or success in outreach, such as pizarro, is a larger factor
than anything
to do with
the world, in
that sense.
mircea_popescu: either
the world at large accepts #trilema and submits ; or else comes up with "its own" as if
that were possible and so on.
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking space in
the future for "choice" nor for "human dignity" understood as anything but
the dignity of
the precious few, and on in
this vein.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-29 07:00 mircea_popescu: in other words, it's perfectly fucking clear ~what exactly~
the
talking cunthead dun like about venezuela, and
the world in general.
mircea_popescu: all pretense
to
the contrary go whichever way it will ;
the end result of
the end of "industrial revolution" and
the delusional hallucinations of
the romantic 1800s is precisely what you'd expect -- ye olde villein, his wife impregnated by
the lord of
the manor who permits him
to live on.
shinohai: I was somehwere in
the "Exiting Egypt" part
shinohai: I was at ch. 9, but decided
to go back
to start and redo all, can't hurt
shinohai: Not bad, just noticed last nite ave1's site back up so in process of building musl gnat
today
then on
to revisiting ffa stuffs
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 04:50 mats: also, 'The Supreme Court’s decision in Herring v. [U.S.] authorizes police
to defeat
the Fourth Amendment’s protections
through a process we call evidence laundering [...] when one police officer makes a constitutional mistake when gathering evidence and
then passes
that evidence along
to a second officer, who develops it further and
then delivers it
to prosecutor'
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2558737