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mircea_popescu: hence all the "revolution" bs. o really, revolution in programming ?
mircea_popescu: indeed the zek paradise is very much that "loose shoes and warm place to shit in" historical african's paradise : if they could pick up a new woman every night and she'd be gone after cooking lunch every day ; if they had to drive to a new place to start work every monday ; if there was always a new beer in the cafeteria and a new show on tv with a new identical blondy lead... scl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fundamental problem is that only the elite have any use for history ; the plebs generally want a "start over tomorrow" world.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the principal problem is that he's not very good at arguing ; neither from a helping the preopinent nor from a produce useful record perspective. these are the two principal goals of conversation, i can scarcely imagine a third.
mircea_popescu: wasn't he working on exactly this not happening by his own account ?
mircea_popescu: minor lulz at the perishable nature of the hyper-tard-transfer-protocol ended up a major topic. i just snickered en passant!
mircea_popescu: i did a bunch of that too, discovered that out of 10k websites, ~0 remain
mircea_popescu: note that it's not me saying that ; for that matter i dun much link the vandalized mircea_popescu wikipedia page or any other such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: worse implemented than SGML itself" << man spends six years trying to do useful work in non-#trilema world, discovers at the end of it all that no, his toaster can not be used to toast his own breakfast, thanks for playing, do come again.
mircea_popescu: "What can I say? I wasted 6 years of my life on SGML and related technologies only to find that when I wanted to translate my experience and knowledge and significant grasp of this technology into a book that would teach what I had found to others, I had to look real hard at all the braindamaged things that I had been willing to sweep under the carpet and found, to my horror, that SGML, once understood, could not possibly be
mircea_popescu: and holy shit the broken, innumerable ways to protect character from parsing...
mircea_popescu: i know why this is, obviously, but the important point is that this is a miserable, second hand knowledge, of ENTIRELY the same substrance as shilbert's.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but note that i don't give anyone the address to said bookshop if they seem confused as to who they're talking to.
mircea_popescu: (this, for the record, was a 60yo at the time stanford guy. "You clearly are clueless and are not at all ashamed to demonstrate it." wrong putdown, seriously now.)
mircea_popescu: from naggum's own self-characterization, he was a not-particularily-wanted epicycle in the whole sgml thing. am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: turns out josling was right ? moreover, even if it HAD returned some naggums... what degree of fool had josling made self ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is epic. josling : " Searching the sgml bib for your name produces 0 hits..." ; naggum : "Why make such a fool of yourself annoying people on purpose? What is /wrong/ with you?
http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/biblio.html" ; we dutifully go check and indeed, grep of that page returns 0 naggums.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but as to the matter at hand, they had a falling out over holocaust social game proper rules!!1
mircea_popescu: as if there's a set of recipes to choose from or what ?
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, there comes a time when the poor will be rendered for fat. it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: the british don't really want to talk about the great potato famine ; and the usg likes to pretend the irish that ran off to new york didn't go through the exact same wringer.
mircea_popescu: and ESPECIALLY it goes with industrialization, which is to say,attempting to break out of it.
mircea_popescu: 1940, kids were malnourished all over the world, the pretense that germany somehow stood out at any point is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "hey, it's only british empire when we want to pretend like largest in history, it's really its own thing at all other points", ima barf.
mircea_popescu: moreover this whole "oh germany was starving"... dude, it's the 40s. new york was fucking starving, gimme a break. who wasn't starving ?
mircea_popescu: "oh if some fucktard who thinks he's a jew because his mother's an idiot says he is holocaustoffended ima say i studied goebbels!!1". wtf already.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the history of interwar germany is interesting as a topic of study, rather than a topic of conversational macguffins.
mircea_popescu: one didn't make the hitler chancellor ; the other did. it's all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is entirely no difference between usg pantsuit cca 2015 and germany nazi cca 1933.
mircea_popescu: (no good equiv to ro "spulbera", it's built out of powder with the italian s' device (svenuto, sfortunato etc) to denote that which wind does to dust and power to incosequentialness)
mircea_popescu: bluster and pretense aside, the original socialists were never all that secure in their "reich". at all points coulda ran into some republic and be spulberati off the flow of history exactly like the pantsuit in 2016.
mircea_popescu: hitler blabbering about how the army betrayed him and shoulda killed them all like stalin (really, it was earlier than stalin time, but you can't say "like trotsky" can you now) is exactly a fruit off of this.
mircea_popescu: usual anachronism, "this toe sock works great as a soup starter so that's what it was". not THEN it wasn't lel. then it was a complicated thing. such as for isntance, a desire of the new socialist strep to make "culture just as good" as the guys they were trying to replace, landeschnekt and ritters dominating the army.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think proposing goebbels is a sort of ziggler-skinner is dismissive to the man.
mircea_popescu: you want to "study goebbels", you're going to review a lot of old celluloid reel, read journals, stuff like that. there's no substitute, wut.
mircea_popescu: and i find it superlatively dubious that "i have made a study" relies on having reviewed no original materials but read chomsky's as cliffnotes. this is no way to get anywhere, and i suspect a large portion of chomsky detractors are actually almost-intelligent folk who tried to use him in this manner, got hurt in the process, and decided to assign blame, if possible to the tool they misused. chomsky is fine, but not if you're
mircea_popescu: suss was exactly 1940. and the hell goebbels had to go through to get the cast (they were famous actors, and more interested in hollywood bux than anything) is a very fine entry point for one to understand just how weak and circumstantial the reich was, and just how much accident and fortune played into the good doctor's work
mircea_popescu: it's true that hitler was a bit of a literalist, and kept liking these barely-cinematic mechanicist pieces of nonsense ; but that doesn't make the opposition stand like he tries to make it stand.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the remarkable poverty of reference, i'd like at least for the few popitems he uses to be at the fucking least correct!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: with similar "historical fact". it's in no sense factual, goebbels' jewel, and the item for which he worked his ass off, has jew right in the fucking title.
mircea_popescu: that aside, there's a different serious problem : "Joseph Goebbels were _not_ concerned with propaganda towards the Jews. this is an historical fact." is what he says, but he says this in the exact manner of the man he otherplaces despises, "who forms a knowledge without having had the curiosity to study". the reason i even wrote
http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ is ~specifically because~ there's a lot of similar ignoramuses
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i can't miss that for someone who read and traveled and so on as you say, naggum has a lot of trouble destructuring nubbinisms.
mircea_popescu: a) germany won ww2, which is why us is trying to be alt-germany not alt-britain ; and why hitlers' goals (anihilation of british empire) were delivered upon ; b) the war was by very far the best thing that couldf ever have happened to russians, as individual people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there was also some private acrymony. anyway, the piece reads like the flailing of pantsuit flavours.
mircea_popescu: same reason, gat smiles. "it's because the alternative is..."
mircea_popescu: the reason smart people condescend to use bad tools is because they have no others. why do we use gnat or gcc ?
mircea_popescu: so i think the correct working of the system is well understood. similarily, that this system is not implemented correctly is also obvious. in this context, gat's one liner is perfectly sensible, what's the problem with it ?
mircea_popescu: and for this failure it gets punished out of existence.
mircea_popescu: what did you think explanation is, lmao. to MY STANDARD.
mircea_popescu: let the ~actual~ 15yos be in the position where they have to explain themselves, and receive in exchange clarifications of the rules and punishments as appropriate.
mircea_popescu: you drive, "cop" gets in the way. does cop explain to you why he got in the way or does cop expect you to explain what it was you were doing to him ?
mircea_popescu: who explains events to whom is the entire construct here. let the dumb explain their dumbness to me.
mircea_popescu: bitch, i'm not explaining jack shit to you. YOU fucking explain to me how exactly you ended up with all this crap.
mircea_popescu: can you picture the hordes of tv watchers gathering me up and setting up a spectacle (like those inane 1980s lassie-in-court tv productions) whereby some pompous douche ("a judge!!11") asks me to... explain... what happened ?
mircea_popescu: for convenience, let's say it's a big deal. no need to specify what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following situation : something happens.
mircea_popescu: let the monkeys negotiate from this position where they have to explain themselves to my standard.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking idea of republic is to meaningfully unite the smart and destroy the fakeout "unity" of the monkeys.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact that's exactly how it works : if you convince the smart folk to be separate and you unite the monkeys into one "state", then yes you get the size disparity problem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see how the linked item supports the theory.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, if you ask the last years' crop of retards, "things were always that way". perhaps because their inumerate mothers went to yoga classes in the same 1974s and drank smothies)
mircea_popescu: "since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags." <<
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 not even terrible ; anyone know how ti invite the dood ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: i'll confess i'm not very impressed with the nonsense. it's one thing to flame some idiot into the ground, but it's not clear to me gat/garrett met the criteria.\
mircea_popescu: he also wrote a lisp-is-faster-than-c item back in the days the microsoft hired hands were pissing all over o'reilly&marc "my middle name is cocksucker" andressen's java
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