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mats: 14:48:49 <+mircea_popescu> anyway,
the general idea of people who did intellectual work with/in china is
that
the chinese folk, while broadly very servile, are utterly uncreative. << i hear such
things repeated all over
the english speaking internet... might as well be a meme now
mircea_popescu: fortunately
the us is not large enough
to retardify china, but i
think we're gonna see some pretty spectacular purges down
the road.
mats: mircea_popescu: meh. cn history is inscrutable, even
to chinese.
ascii_field: even now (where is
the adult male population of latvia, and why ? etc )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ftr,
that's pretty much how eastern europe ran
throughout
the 90s
too.
ascii_field: where everything is run on
their
traditional scheme and on
their meatwot
ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of
these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all
the way
to
the bank, riding
the
thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
☟︎ mircea_popescu: confucianism IS very good at a well specified set of
tasks.
ascii_field: uncreative << incidentally, it is not necessary
to
travel
to china
to witness
this. u.s. academia
today is solidly confucian (not merely ethnically,
this - only in part - but in -operation-)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda what makes people unhappy. any slave'll
tell you,
there's monumental fulfillment in submission.
mircea_popescu: whereas
the western folk, while broadly useless, can at least be selected for sanity.
ascii_field: u.s. became
the kind of inscrutable and
thoroughly-dysfunctional beast we know
today partly
through
the '50-'60s preoccupation with mindgames and 'programmatory' psychochumpatronics, where 'they must not realize
they are servile' was
the mandatory algo
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the general idea of people who did intellectual work with/in china is
that
the chinese folk, while broadly very servile, are utterly uncreative.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:41:36; asciilifeform: even ancient china, apparently, had 'cram schools.' (see miyazaki, 'china's examination hell' - neat little monograph on
the subject)
mircea_popescu: moreover, didn't japanese employees have
to pass physicals at work ?
trinque: this scheme of
the govt giving you a report card seems intended
towards precisely
that
trinque: pete_dushenski: probably by reducing
them
to insecure, servile rubbish
mircea_popescu: the problem, of course, being
that with globalization you really can't get options. it'll have
to be pret a porter, one
thing universally.
ascii_field: how culture answers
this realization - determines, largely, whether you get zimbabwe or britain etc
pete_dushenski: which puts
the enormity of
the chinese quandary in perspective.
mircea_popescu: this is
the inescapable human condition : most people are exactly rubbish
ascii_field: this is, in a way, an inescapable professional disease of cultures
that 'got' industry in a hurry
ascii_field: goes kinda like
this: 'my subjects are rubbish and only fit as cannot fodder or
to be worked
to death in
the mines. possibly after x centuries of
this, we can make some better ones.'
mircea_popescu: course
the model worked historically about as well as welfarism (aka popular democracy)
mircea_popescu: it seems altogether probable
that's what
the chinese communist party envisages as ideal, and acts as if were
the case.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski:
this is actually
the historic ru model of development, once
termed 'colonialism with crown as
the sole european'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: so
they're at once
the "better folks" and
the untermenschen.
pete_dushenski: wherein
they're overburdened with structural issues but no superior alternative is knocking down
their door.
pete_dushenski: so now
the chinese are in
the position of
the europeans 60 years ago.
mircea_popescu: well certainly not anymore
than japan can afford samurais.
mircea_popescu: some ills are apparently unavoidable, sure. but
the "better folks" got raped meanwhile.
ascii_field: forgo railroads - enjoy
the silence - until better folks come along and lower your people into untermenschenrasty and build own rails
mircea_popescu: alternatively : cixi's refusal of railroads did have
the end effect of no railroads. but also, of silence.
ascii_field: but, in my analysis, if it weren't for su's heavy diddling,
the place would've been carved into manageable bantustans by usa post-war
mircea_popescu: only by sheer luck is
there such a
thing as
the us,
too.
ascii_field: only by sheer luck,
there is still such a
thing as chinese
mircea_popescu: ascii_field my question remains
tho. so
they fucked up science. indisputable.
to whose detriment ?
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2014 04:52:44; asciilifeform: rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and
the West',
T. E. Huff
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2014 04:48:55; asciilifeform: of, you could say, insufficiently high
temperature in
the simulated-annealing sense.
pete_dushenski: seems
the europeans have been far stronger at
taking
the baton and running with it.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: actually china is a case study in failure
to develop (invented, sure, but -develop-) various
techs
trinque: I'll admit I'm about as far removed from being able
to understand Chinese culture as possible
mircea_popescu: yes.
the method is : people are idiots and if you're going
to parent
them, you gotta parent
them.
pete_dushenski: trinque: seems nuts
to us,
then again,
there's a method
to
the chinese madness or else
they wouldn't have ruled so much of
the world for so much of modern history.
ascii_field: to be fair,
the first
time i wrote it, it sucked donkey cock (wrote gcd in python, it was dog-slow and O(n^2) )
trinque: "look we're going
to centralize breathing. breathing is now banned;
the central govt will breathe for you"
mircea_popescu: it's very subtle,
the quality, but for
this reason valuable. not aggresing sanity and common sense is worth a heck of a lot more
than "making it work"
mircea_popescu: people who have no idea how
to code go by
the "well it works".
this guy actually codes by "well
this is how it should go"
trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed, seems
they will
try (and fail)
to implement components of
the republic in
the style of massive government
mircea_popescu: no but seroiusly, lemme
tell you - he wrote
that phuctor
thing, it's like 500 lines, and so sanely laid out i could go in
there and understand what it does and how
to modify it within ~5 minutes.
ascii_field: that is,
the other folks - who probably all eat lunch
together - got sks running
ascii_field: as per mircea_popescu's ancient observation,
this one's an instance of 'it works on my box'ism
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're
the worstbest
thing
that ever happened
to ascii_field
mircea_popescu: <trinque> seems when
the US disintegrates it'll be chinese
totalitarianism
the world has
to endure next <<
the price for vanity is rape.
that's what
the derps in
the sec
thinking
they;re above doing what i
tell you
to do are doing
toi
themselves ;
that's what
the derps
thinking
theyre "vcs" and not humbling coming in here are doing for
themselves.
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'teaching
the controversy' is a variant
thereof
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> anyway i fixed
the
twitter parser - its not working now. all back
to normal. << win
trinque: where
the lie's
the inversion of
the
truth
trinque: there needs
to be a
term for
that
trinque: Without such a mechanism doing business in China is risky, she stresses, as about half of
the signed contracts are not kept. 'Especially given
the speed of
the digital economy it is crucial
that people can quickly verify each other's creditworthiness.' << wearing a deer-skin and calling yourself bambi
mircea_popescu: jurov you know, i don't read
the current propaganda either.
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any
Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1GKN9UK )
trinque: pete_dushenski: I don't know
that you manage
them doing
this either
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> anyway, i don't
think
they will be able
to make lying about your age a violation. << should be funny if
they do... fill
the jail up with 29 yo women.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: "“More
transactions means more bandwidth and CPU and storage cost, and more cost means increased centralization because fewer people will be able
to afford
that cost.” << isn't
the rebuttal
to
that on your blog?
pete_dushenski: but how else do you manage a billion plus without reducing
them
to ones and zeroes ?
pete_dushenski: chicom
thing's not a wot, no, but rather a bizarre quantification of fleisch
trinque: seems when
the US disintegrates it'll be chinese
totalitarianism
the world has
to endure next
kakobrekla: anyway i fixed
the
twitter parser - its not working now. all back
to normal.
pete_dushenski: that's what a blog is, really, an expression of one's ability
to swish and swirl one's energies into new spaces.
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: well, as fluid as
the author in any event.
funkenstein_: now I am
trying
to catch up, but it seems
the form itself is still somewhat fluid
funkenstein_: the base fact
that words were being strung
together
to convey meaning had somehow escaped me
pete_dushenski: "Lets consider
two extreme" << ok, now it's just a stylistic
thing.