asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with 'blockchain consensuses', betcha, also!
asciilifeform: the moar advanced specimens also seem to think that they have academics who 'do research', judges who 'dispense justice', army which 'wins wars', etc
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the logs countain a thousand examples. e.g. most americans are convinced that they can buy and drink milk in the corner shop ( they cannot, they buy 'ultrapasteurized' rubbish that tastes nothing like actual milk) ; that they live in 'nice house' ( they live in equiv of movie set, made of matchsticks, that falls over when first serious gust of wind ), that ... i could go on for a week and not even scratch the surface
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have seen and touched camel and esp. revel in the absurdity of the picture
asciilifeform: ( the moar 'advanced' ameri-victims will perhaps have been to some place where they watched hairy bedouins fuck camels, from safe distance, and thereby 'understood' that the reich is the only possible home for a civilized and refined soul such as themselves )
asciilifeform: most amerireich victims at least have the excuse of complete ignorance of the outside of their velveeta-civilization.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: remember when 'big blocks'(tm)(r) were 'definitely happening any day'(tm)(r) ?
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the society you actually live in, makes ceaucescu's look like refreshing paradise of straight-talk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: evidently he also slept through boeck's week-long shilling for craig wright, followed by 'unhappening', or would at least start scratching head when prodded
asciilifeform: zx2c4: as a matter of fact, is IS a conclusion i can jump to trivially. because your supposed 'person' is actually a nameless cockroach beneath my feet. because he is not in the wot, and thereby not distinguishable from the 90000..+ faux 'humans' usg manufactures on daily basis to further its psyops.☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget, also world of the general's wives, with voices like unoiled door hinges, and backtalk! how can you not envy!111 the respectable people!11111
asciilifeform: so your null hypothesis is to believe the perpetrators of said crimes, 'honest! it was accident! nevermind that it walks and quacks like nsa bug'
asciilifeform: zx2c4: well, you seem to see the burden of proof, on asciilifeform , to show that debiankeys , or e.g. heartbleed, was a work of nsa plant
asciilifeform: no moar effort than trees expend effort to grow.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: your null hypothesis is defective.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: take very concrete case, of the debian keys. i.e. a nsa-planted 'bug'. it was very concretely in the nsa interest to prevent public euclidization , would have revealed the 'bug' immediately.
asciilifeform: specifically to ~prevent~ folx such as zx2c4 from hearing about e.g. phuctor, or other actual attempts at experiment, and if they hear -- from taking seriously. 'boeck did it in 2007' 'but did he publish a divisor?' 'uhhhh'
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the fraudulent content-free publications of supposed 'results' consisting of 'we broke 9000 keys last year, but no we won't say which keys and what the divisors are' are smoke screen, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: and certain topics are 'trendy' and get grants but only for so long as you walk the unwritten line and 1) do NOT publish result 2) best of all do not even do the experiment, lest the result somehow leak out
asciilifeform: i.e. to know what MUST be told to all, but not to reveal.
asciilifeform: in ru prison argot, this is also called 'to be a mouse', and is seen as equally damning as 'to be a rat' ( steal from one's fellows , rather than the engl meaning of snitch )☟︎
asciilifeform: ( which , yes, is what 'responsible disclosure' is, no exceptions )
asciilifeform: zx2c4: then i would ask why you decided to be an accomplice in usg coverup ?
asciilifeform: somehow you have faith that 'they wouldn't straight and pull it all out of their arse, mit is respectable!', is that it ?
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the fact that not a single broken key was published prior to phuctor's, is not a problem in your eye ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that the fella still labours under the impression that boeck et al are the 'authorities' , sitting in judgement of ~us~ , and that it is we who must somehow prove beyond reasonable doubt that they lie
asciilifeform: 3 is simply not a necessary hypothesis, it is very rare that the skepter has to be raised and something explicitly forbidden from above
asciilifeform: zx2c4: 2) they did not do the research
asciilifeform: even though if anyone had bothered to euclid over they pubkeys, he would have discovered ~immediately~ that there are 32768 possible primes.
asciilifeform: for instance 'responsible disclosure' ( i.e. if you find a bug, report to usg first )
asciilifeform: zx2c4: pay and written orders are not a necessary hypothesis. fact of the matter is that you do not get to ~become~ 'a nadia' or 'a boeck' unless you behave 'like a civilized academic' and do what is expected of you, without being asked.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: good, let's discuss in a bit
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i refuse to dignify their disinfo with the word 'study'
asciilifeform: and it is not even the old-fashioned pecuniary fraud, but organized smoke screen for nsa.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: what they do -- we call it fraud.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i wrote phuctor in 2013 after yrs of watching academiderps fraudulently pretend to have performed similar experiment ( while they published 0 keys )
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the 'idea' is, arguably, euclid's.
asciilifeform: otherwise we are in for unplesant surprise at some point, and this will not do !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you are dipping into savings just to eat, will have to be straight about it, say exactly how much you would actually need in order to not run on batteries.
asciilifeform: pizarro is exactly the sort of thing where it shines. many, many small and mechanical fixes that need tracking.
asciilifeform: effective at the start of next cycle.
asciilifeform: mod6: no need even for pgpgram. i propose, here and now, a +10% increase in BingoBoingo's pay. this will add up to the cost of 1 1U supermicro in a yr, or alternatively slightly less than ben_vulpes lost in customs lotto.
asciilifeform: an entire rail car full of iron would not do any good, mod6, ben_vulpes , if we dun have a well-oiled BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes it was orcish. but it was an uncomfortable place for asciilifeform , d00d spent ~week busting his arse helping asciilifeform , and prior to that -- half yr building up pizarro, and he cannot afford new shoelaces.
asciilifeform: vaccum cleaner sorely in need of tuneup imho.
asciilifeform: ( at one time asciilifeform nominated phf to serve on the board in asciilifeform's stead, but there was no response, so i took it as a 'no ty' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: current board : mod6 + ben_vulpes + asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes -- a 10% diff in what BingoBoingo eats, will not make or break us, either we find customers and float, else -- sink. on the other hand, a starved and demoralized BingoBoingo is pretty bad for biznis. we do not have a spare BingoBoingo .☟︎
asciilifeform: ftr prior to leaving BingoBoingostan, asciilifeform took the liberty of making a modest donation to BingoBoingo out of own pocket. because, imho, proper thing to do. and did not want to wait for board approval, would rather simply pay from pocket.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody got 'played', thus far errybody has honoured their part of the pact. but yes imho we can afford to put some fat back on BingoBoingo's bones
