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mircea_popescu: you could just as well hire indonesians to write random shit. there's a bunch of "reviews" sites spamming this crap, there was one even discussed in the logs, made an entry about "the bitbet casino"
adlai: "english as we mangle it in assetistan"
asciilifeform: 'english as she is spoken' (tm)
mircea_popescu: felipelalli the funny thing about english as used here is that it's not really familiar to about 90% of native english speakers either.
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2015 00:51:45; williamdunne: mircea, you said I should ask as to why options are no longer issued on MPEX when trilema is back up
BingoBoingo: adlai: Isn't the dead sea at historic low levels? Canaan is just as much shitty desert as California except it's been abused much longer.
BingoBoingo also thinks Prussia should have been surrendered as reparations for the purposes of Establishing a Jewish state after WWII
felipelalli: thanks BingoBoingo! I'd like to read more the logs, it is my TODO list, I just can't priorize too much it in this moment of my life. Also my English is not good as I wish so it is a little hard to me understand everything in full and because that I became a little hesitant to participate.
williamdunne: mircea, you said I should ask as to why options are no longer issued on MPEX when trilema is back up ☟︎
danielpbarron: What's known as "Internet Brigading" - the situation where a lot of people with no money and no practical importance complain loudly, as if anyone cares what the stupid poor say or think on any topic. << I had this happen to me over a particularly offensive tweet that got featured on some blog
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> (i do not consider eating genuine, vs. recycled food, a luxury. just as air on a space capsule is not a luxury, even if it costs what gold costs down on earth) <<< i don't fully buy into the "it's cheaper to eat shitty" mentality, but it's my understanding that the dynamics involved therein are vastly different in your country
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> <mircea_popescu> and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no. <<< the sets of {co-inhabitants} and {dirtbags} don't have as complete an overlap as you'd think
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it << what did you buy and play with instead? a nagant, testing how it feels in the mouth, as in mircea_popescu's 'dulap' story ? <<< not in so many words :P
mats: rent is not nearly as usurious, as, say, DC, but a space like mine (own room, roommates adjacent) costs... $1k/mo
ascii_field: (i do not consider eating genuine, vs. recycled food, a luxury. just as air on a space capsule is not a luxury, even if it costs what gold costs down on earth)
adlai: mircea_popescu: so are the average price diamonds in mpex thumbnails intentionally so dark as to cause the bewildered visitor to question his eyesight or sanity, until he confirms that they are in fact of different hue?
pete_dushenski: mats: ascii_field this is the city of edmonton's "we improved our asphalt technologee in the 1990s but it turned out to last 1/4 as long as the stuff from the 1960s"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but to answer question, my meatspace idiocy filter is simply not as strong as the conceptual one. to ask 'why' is like asking why my legs are not as long as mircea_popescu's
mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/as-interest-benchmarks-go-negative-banks-may-have-to-pay-borrowers-1428939338
mircea_popescu: imo more competent as soldier than forum diogenes
ascii_field: e.g., why did hanbot work well as a forum demolitions expert, but isn't (afaik!) a soldier in meatspace ?
mircea_popescu: just observing that the writing it produces doesn't seem to bother as much ? how come ?
ascii_field: and this ^ is not a toy, it is as essential as clothes to me.
adlai: "Also, a kosher variant of Spam, known as Loof (Hebrew: לוף‎, a Hebrew linguistic play on meatloaf), was produced by Richard Levi, and mostly used as part of field rations by the Israel Defense Forces."
pete_dushenski: "tails and assholes" as my dad used to call spam
ascii_field: nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle, the last thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it << what did you buy and play with instead? a nagant, testing how it feels in the mouth, as in mircea_popescu's 'dulap' story ?
ascii_field: as does every goatfuckistan still extant on planet 3
pete_dushenski: but i'm not as cultured and worldly as i think i am. just a soap opera star!
nubbins`: pete_dushenski inorite? sold as "used", guessing they're either (a) returns or (b) just damaged packaging and unsuitable for shelf
mircea_popescu: adlai i always understood it as the much more subtle "well im on the football team now, why hassle to score goals. hassle to prevent anyone from scoring more than me".
adlai: aiui, which is only from the internet as i don't physically live in libertardia, this meme was mainly coined by/for business owners reducing their business's "salary"
adlai: productivity as measured by the collector
nubbins`: i'm serious: <+nubbins`> lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example
nubbins`: lobbes truly foolhardy is the man to whom i serve as an example
mircea_popescu: "my own evaluation of variable x has changed as my measurement standards changed"
adlai: and includes reducing your quality of life, since you reach diminishing returns as you try to increase it
nubbins`: (as if there's a better man than me out there)
nubbins`: "The need to assemble is as constant among humans as the necessity of making decisions is rare. Assembling corresponds to the joy of feeling a common power. Decisions are vital only in emergency situations, where the exercise of democracy is already compromised. The rest of the time, “the democratic character of decision making” is only a problem for the fanatics of process. It’s not a matter of critiquing assemblies or abandoning them,
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
nubbins`: as it's presented
nubbins`: now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
mircea_popescu: nonsense such as "walk where"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his point, so far as i can surmise, is 'be theoretical physicist'
asciilifeform: or should i requalify as printing press mechanic, or what
adlai: water dissolves glue (at least, the cheap icky "white glue" stuff); ie, say asciilifeform is part of the glued idiot mass... as it begins to implode/dissolve/etc, folks find themselves increasingly less glued
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in mircea_popescu's world, as i understand, every soldier is naked but for his parachute, and ought to take what he needs from the locals
adlai: as stupid as possible, but no stupider
adlai: "uses simple analogue circuits, such as comparators, instead of a microprocessor in order to produce an unusually simple design"
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as physical resources that are 1) concentrated spatially and 2) too unique to hijack like a vine hijacks tree.
asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu would do if put in command of the red army. imagines that he would order it to disperse, with no more than one man per square km, and operate only as saboteur groups.
asciilifeform: (meant as 'opposite of real estate scam')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meant something like a 'mircea_popescu as stalin' scenario
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. << leads into the mega-question - what is the opposite of a real estate scam? or is this like the maxwellian hypothetical 'monopole magnet', where you have a mystery alien
mircea_popescu: well as long as it's an association
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out. <<< "you can't bribe the future with nostalgia"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:i want to reconsider that about as much as windows user wants to compile from source. <<< i recall hearty lels when whatever chunk of windows source code came out
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100590 << im not aware at any point the term meant cultured or wordly for anyone. perhaps as an insider thing, like people in daytime tv drama for young women seem to think this about themselves ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100504 << looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yes, it would be. it'd make it possible to be wrong, and then guilty. which is the main reason the law as a construct even exists : save people that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100429 << quite. i suppose the trust <=> energy analogy is pretty good. trust is also in a very similar relation to sound money, ie, sure "people" (subhumans, really) can "create trust out of nothing". this is about as relevant to actual trust as freshly printed usd are to money. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:01; williamdunne: I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:33:44; asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god
mircea_popescu: i want to reconsider that about as much as windows user wants to compile from source.
mircea_popescu: he wasn't looking for any answer. he was trying to shoehorn disorganised remains of broken history into the future. as he keeps trying to do this he'll figure it out.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:18:16; asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans'
mircea_popescu: it can make all the passports it wants, ima credit someone on the basis of that as much as i'd credit someone presenting a reader's digest letter.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100317 << there is no such thing as a "real" document. the reason it's a document in the first palce is BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL. it's a convention! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: does not really count as up
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that as the socialism progresses, the middle class dies out. because socialism is societal cancer, it just burns the fat and dies.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/fenton-replaces-murck-as-vessenes-foundation-pivots-again/
assbot: Fenton Replaces Murck as Vessenes Foundation Pivots Again | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEjpIA )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/fenton-replaces-murck-as-vessenes-foundation-pivots-again/
asciilifeform: just as i will not undertake to build a space suit.
asciilifeform: incidentally, now is the time when i say, to interested readers, that i do not presently consider myself qualified to build a bitcoin 'wallet.' not because i do not understand how they must work at least as well as anyone else - but because of the 'skin in the game' problem.
asciilifeform: (counts as bunker? doesn't need laptop, l0l)
felipelalli: but it would be at least funny. I'd rate the president of Brazil, the "mirror" user "twitter-dilmabr" as -10 as "scammer!" for example.
asciilifeform: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation: << what if the 'derivated mirror food' was just a turd from the local public toilet, with spices such as mustard or ketchup? Before strike me, let me explain...
decimation: nope. as the magna carta says: "For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the
decimation: as 'la wik' says: "Medieval juries were self-informing, in that individuals were chosen as jurors because they either knew the parties and the facts, or they had the duty to discover them. This spared the government the cost of fact-finding" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial#cite_ref-14
asciilifeform: this entire thread concerns something as ill-conceived as perpetuum mobile
trinque: and as they are found out they are buried in negrate
williamdunne: I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea ☟︎
trinque: ^ what I put as the headful of shit
asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god ☟︎☟︎
felipelalli: trinque: a "mirror derivated user" like br-8d255152 (deriveted from my doc) would be useful only as "INPUT". There is no output from br-8d255152. This is useful for make a blacklist of scammers that don't use OTC. It could be derivated from my full name, for example: "Felipe Micaroni Lalli"= br-89402f8d
asciilifeform: reading the logs; reading sites such as mircea_popescu's; same as you and i did
asciilifeform: just as modern 'fire codes' did not exist until $bigint folks burned in fires inside barricaded garrets, etc
asciilifeform: trinque: this is a valuable thread - to illustrate the absurdity of even considering anything other than key as a reliable identity
trinque: felipelalli: what's wrong with gpg key as identity?
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: so, supose you are a usg agent and everybody knows your ability, you rate 10 the user br-8d255152, even if that user had 20x -10, I'd trust in your rate. The point is just the standard. The WoT serves as a natural filter.
asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans' ☟︎
decimation: compromised as they are by conflicting interests to sell their customers
decimation: in the case of apple, I think it's quite likely they are honestly trying to make things secure, but are about as successful as all other 'tech' firms have been
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for this recipe)
asciilifeform: williamdunne: agents of usg can get a passport as legit as yours or mine, ten times every morning before breakfast.
asciilifeform: the 'redphone', etc. idiocy was not -planned- as a boondoggle requiring eternal injections of qe-tronium to function.
felipelalli: ok, I'll try: I'd like to use OTC as a global "blacklist". But it is bad for that because a scammer won't create an account on OTC, or if his reputation is bad, he'll erase it. So we could create a "standard" like for example: br-8d255152 where "br" is the country code ISO and 8d255152 is the first 8 chars of SHA256 of user country document (in Brazil we call CPF and in Australia ID)
asciilifeform: algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for this recipe)
asciilifeform: think, why would usg make loud, public farts against 'iPnohe' and other products from usgtronics vendors which remain as porous as ever ?
trinque: asciilifeform: at the very least passing something like that legitimizes surveillance as a means to verify compliance with the escrow system