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mircea_popescu: in any case,
this approach illuminates
the fundamentally pessimistic outlook of
the socialist.
gabriel_laddel: Hmm.. I
think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist"
mircea_popescu: so he spends his life chasing
the world
that doesn't suck, a dollar at a
time.
mircea_popescu: so 5. he goes
to work, makes more money.
this of course scales up
the price.
mircea_popescu: 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world
that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly
that world doesn't exist ; 4. but
the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for
the money he has + 1
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: My position is simply
that I can be broke and work on what I want
to work on without being
terribly inconvenienced
mircea_popescu: "the world sucks, and id pay any sum for one
that didn't. well... suppose it exists and it costs what i have +1 ... best get
to work
then"
mircea_popescu: i
think for
the record most capitalists work on
this concept
mircea_popescu: so imagine it exists and it costs
the money you have + 1.
mircea_popescu: so imagine it exists and
they don't let you work on it oh oh oh i see.
gabriel_laddel: I'd happily work at pretty much anything
to make money for a sane computer.
gabriel_laddel: if sane computing existed I would (update and
then) send out my resume
mircea_popescu: i
thought you had bills in arrears. how would you pay a 10k bill ?
gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment
that doesn't waste my
time.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: The real question is - how much did
they spend on real estate in CA?
gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money -
their products were not braindamaged.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie, you can't have
the
things
that make it make money without
the causes of
the braindamage
gabriel_laddel: Mathematica makes money, people say
the exact same
things about
their software "I have lived in a...", but
their product is braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: (historically
this is
the EXACT contribution of
the artist
to
the world, your "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" or as jourdain put it, "i had no idea i was
talking in prose".)
mircea_popescu: aka, art (in
the "what is art" on
trilema sense - work for
the lord).
gabriel_laddel: I plan
to write custom (source included) extensions for select parteners
gabriel_laddel: ke
to complete it. Via Masamune it is possible
to find out what
these people are doing, optimize confusing paths etc.
gabriel_laddel: I
took an early demo (long before I discovered CLIM)
to large company X, demonstrated all
the information I could collect,
that I could write lessons integrated into
the whole desktop environment.
This company has
the sneaking suspicion
that people sort of dick around during
the onboarding process and
there is a huge variation in how long people
ta
mircea_popescu: but w/e, im a bad example. suppose for someone it matters, and it saves
them 10 billion pula.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
the sticking point atm is
the art and my game design, not
the code.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you had Eurola shipped in 1/2
the
time
this would matter
to you, no?
mircea_popescu: well, i don't code much, so it's unlikely
to make much difference
to me. but in any case,
this is how a good joke goes, or a good book. good books don't make much money.
gabriel_laddel: and you'll say something similar
to
trinque "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive
to just wait until you use it (or even a select codebase like CLIM)
mircea_popescu: i still don't see
the money part.
this is art, at best.
gabriel_laddel: 03:55:16 mircea_popescu: or for
that matter, predict
the next one, so you know where not
to go o.O << Cincinnati
gabriel_laddel: trinque: is
that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os
then screams about lisp at everyone? << After using CLIM, do you feel like screaming at people?
gabriel_laddel: romptly forget about it. Actual people don't forget
the experience of using something interesting (see your own hypercard post). I want
them
to be absolutely fucking incensed when
they encounter windows or
the like. Also, I love being able
to kill/yank
text in
the browser + Emacs + CLIM. Also, money.
gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing
to develop
taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute
to a class of kids "learning
to program". IMHO
they'll play around with it, do
their work and
then p
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform:
to envision a 'wave of
the future'
that includes c and unix - entirely other.
gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << I'm not envisioning a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when
they use software, never question foundational abstractions. I can hack lisp, but cannot hack
the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going
to be writing code it should be in
☝︎ Apocalyptic: ;;later
tell asciilifeform re pgpdump it actually displays details of HPA's invalid subkey, but for some reason doesn't print
the associated keyid even once so my grep missed it
BingoBoingo: Depends on
the strength of your microscope
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 19:58:13; ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" <<
this strikes me as a special case of
the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim.
BingoBoingo: Weekend's drama was apparently biker gang splinter group was being confronted by
their sponsors and likely DEA agent ran over some dude's
toes,
then hemophilia
BingoBoingo: White people had a big gunfight in
Texas over
the weekend without civilian casualties and now everyone derps about big bad biker gangs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20 << See how Dunbar's number works is you can know 150 people, harass 1500 people, but only count on at most 15
to follow instructions
gabriel_laddel: I didn't know
the eurola crafting system was so advanced
mircea_popescu: "how many lcd screens do you get by adding seven oranges
to a bucket of water ?" "8"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you've got some spare
time on your hands, (Mc)CLIM is neato
mircea_popescu: politicomathsocioscience 101 for
the new generation : let
there be user A who has 43 positive meaningless
ticks and 22 negative meaningless
ticks ; and user B who has 12 PMT and 17 NMT. who would win in a fight between homer simpson and a himalayan sherpa ?
gabriel_laddel: Data visualization will save
the seas of failed "college students".... or so
they hope.
mircea_popescu: fake meaningless numbers processed as if
they weren't. fucking fiat mindrot
mircea_popescu: "Contributions in
the last year". what
the FUCK does
this mean.
gabriel_laddel: I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into
the xxx folder
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Is
the argentine legal system as derpy as
the rest of
the country?
mircea_popescu: that is a very different statement from
the statement you're actually making.
gabriel_laddel: Nah, justification is available, I just don't want it cluttering
the presentation.
mircea_popescu: "From
this point forward it is assumed you have set aside some
time
to learn Masamune and need no justification for as
to why any particular abstraction has been chosen." << so is
this a cult
then ?
gabriel_laddel: well, a software development
team has different dynamics
gabriel_laddel: you can't convince 30 people who don't know lisp
to use it.
gabriel_laddel: After ~20 people you lose
the ability for everyone
to know everyone else.
mircea_popescu: see,
this is
the golden rule of magic numbers : if you use one and
then need context
to indentify it, you've misused a magic number.
mircea_popescu: okay so... how;s
this oging
to pay your internets bill ?
gabriel_laddel: ask
trinque how much better CLIM is
than anything else on Earth
gabriel_laddel: I've been broke for like a year, working on
that which interests me so
that I can make large sums of money rather
than
the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be
turned into money and vice versa.
mircea_popescu: ;;; communicate using
the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise.
mircea_popescu: im not going
to go into how "Most ideas humans would like
to
gabriel_laddel: So... you remember
the
tide usd vs. usd usd discussion?
mircea_popescu: but listen, if you're broke is
thsi sort of grand architectural commitment
the bestest policy ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you know someone in
the SF Bay area who would
throw me a computer,
that would be
tight.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: need
to find a box
to hack
the install proc on
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: finished an (interactive) Architectural
tour of Masamune.
BingoBoingo: Eh,
the rougher part is people with
the grey and white matter in
tact with
the senses failing