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mircea_popescu: ah, but if it gets added in it'll serve against future keys
too
ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: you can download
the product &
try dividing by your symmetric
things now! no need
to wait for me
ascii_modem: mats: my current understanding is
that
the
turd in gpg2 is a malloc and doesn't leak phi. crashable bug
though, & deserves closer look
gabriel_laddel: MP has asked
that I 'get a blog', and it is probably
the proper format for detailing
the sales / marketing strategy. If I decide
to follow up on
this
thread I'll do so
there.
gabriel_laddel: even
then,
they'll most likely ask you about just adding it on
top of osx/windows << yeah,
this is in part why I'll have
to
target individuals
gabriel_laddel: and you can sell computers preloaded without needig big investment, if you find a niche where you can considerably improve
their process <<
this is
true.
jurov: !up gabriel_laddel ^ check
the log
jurov: what do you do with
that?
jurov: even
then,
they'll most likely ask you about just adding it on
top of osx/windows
jurov: and you can sell computers preloaded without needig big investment, if you find a niche where you can considerably improve
their process
jurov: what is
this masamune
thing?
jurov: no apologies needed, i just got an impression you're restating
the obvious repeatedly
gabriel_laddel: jurov: I'm responding (belatedly)
to log messages directed at me, apologies if it's bothering you.
jurov: you like listening
to yourself, don't you?
gabriel_laddel: Finishing
that
thought: supporting everything for everyone is simply
too much work. Abandoning
this seriously reduces
the workload on one's organization. Of course, it remains
to be seen
the degree
to which
this is a competitive advantage.
gabriel_laddel: with it. As such,
their product ends up as a label change from Windows/OSX
to "phree1!" software. Impotence is boring, nobody cares.
gabriel_laddel: .,
the System76 site,
they advertise
that "Ubuntu Server is easy
to set up and lightweight, including only what you need out of
the box. It’s powerfully extended with
thousands of commercial and open source server applications.".
They have
the opportunity
to piss all over portability, bring something alien
to earth and...
they don't know what
to do
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 21:34:19;
trinque: ;;later
tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating
the colossal difficulty of
this and
there are old skeletons on old battlefields
that
thought
the same. *do you have
the connections
to make
these sales
to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?*
gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143981 << It seems
to me
that
the question is, "why have people selling computers preloaded with
their software failed (Apple does
this, but
their computers are braindamaged, a failure by 'design')?" Interpretation: all companies in
this space occupy a position in "uncanny valley". If you look at e.g
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 23-05-2015 12:18:51; Apocalyptic: I would be curious
to see any definition considering 1 as prime, it would mean you no longer have
the fundamental
theorem of arithmetic
Hasimir: btw,
that's an error rate of approximately 0.1%
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, I ran asciilifeform's litmus.py script against all
the keys in my gpg 1.4 keyring and got 9 hits,
the oldest of which belongs
to
the PGP
time stamp service and was made in 1995
jurov: but i dunno if it was ever
tested in battle
jurov: can't be really used if
these are stripped
jurov: re:watermark code - did
this once, we inserted random stuff and alterations into comments, esp. javadoc
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i swear i saw
this shit advertised on
tv.. ctrl+w'd
Apocalyptic: I would be curious
to see any definition considering 1 as prime, it would mean you no longer have
the fundamental
theorem of arithmetic
☟︎ Apocalyptic: mircea, nah it breaks a couple of
things if you count it among primes, besides not satisfying
the usual definition
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, re your last
trilema article 1 is not a prime number
mircea_popescu: yet
they don't
think 100 bucks / month is
too low, or
that apartments should go for > 10k a pop.
gabriel_laddel: tbh, any country could really become
the center of
the universe provided
they stop being idiots
gabriel_laddel: amazing -
they have a port city and
two nuclear reactors
mircea_popescu: the notion
that
the average argentine derp is worth 1k/year in salary is ludicrous.
they're white, yes, but otherwise
the skilset is on par with sierra leone
mircea_popescu: not like any of
them are worth even 10% of what
they pretend
they're getting paid
today anyway.
mircea_popescu: let income shave a zero and real estate shave
two, we can
talk.
mircea_popescu: atm
they're living in
this lala-land where
they're like, a country.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel nah, i'm not buying anything until
they get fucked
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 04:44:16; mircea_popescu: " more mice
than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers
to defend against" <<
that's
the hot core of failure.
mircea_popescu: and my next
through was... and in order
to get in, a dude has
to be in wot.
mircea_popescu: so i was all like man, ima buy a garage and make a fucking disco. own
this
town.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile
the garages are what, > 10k sqft. no exceptions. acreworth.
mircea_popescu: incidentally,
the people here are really fucking derpy, for many reasons. one of which - all
the clubs where kids go are like 100sq ft. literally.
gabriel_laddel: if you end up in a war for any reason, well... idk,
tough
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the cost of properly stealing his code would be i guess log n
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: someone has
to be out
to get you at
that point, and yeah
mircea_popescu: seems
the sort of meta-prograsmming
task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of
the code you deliver.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: anyways,
this is sort of a 'club' for code. it'd never stop a smart or determined attacker, but it renders
the cost of
the heist somewhat higher
than i warrant many would pay.
mircea_popescu: then as a licensee you DONT know what you need
to
transform
to wipe
the watermark, so you have
to
transform... "everything". which results in a
turd, which as he says, who
the fuck will want
that.
ben_vulpes: sure, if it's worth your
time
to resell
the
thing after writing a
transform for it...
mircea_popescu: and
then just make a hash and interpret it as bitflips over
that list
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he would maintain a list of places where he can change
things
ben_vulpes: so no not impossible, or low value, or necessary even
to destroy
the code
gabriel_laddel: sure, start
there when selling
to idiots, for big contracts scale accordingly
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he would just build a list of
things
to change and change
them all.
ben_vulpes: and
then
they have
the problem of "what was it before"
ben_vulpes: but it would be
trivial
to change one random symbol name per client license
ben_vulpes: i may be insane but i
think a large fraction of
the value in delivered code is
that others can read and mod it.
gabriel_laddel: if some bastardized version of our shared bits shows up a
torrents site I can maintain your account with me accordingly
ben_vulpes: it verges on obfuscation, and at
that point one may as well deliver a binary for all
the "fits in head"ness it'll have.
mircea_popescu: yeah,
the result is not worthless. << i mean,
the result of
this convo, re code watermarking, even if notperfect is still not worthless.
mircea_popescu: this is a drastically degraded version ofthe code
tho, i readily grant
mircea_popescu: by
transforming everything
that's not required by
the machine.
mircea_popescu: but code being by its nature code, i have a firm guarantee
that i can wipe your watermark out.
gabriel_laddel: This isn't
the only way
to go about watermarking code
though.
gabriel_laddel: we don't need DRM, we just need
to know who leaked which code
mircea_popescu: which may be more work
than
they're willing
to put into it, but still, would kill your drm like it kills
that stupid "sound security"
thing we discussed a coupla weeksa ago
mircea_popescu: course,
they could just edit
the names
to some random hash of
their own.
mircea_popescu: traditionally
this is solved with watermarking, but
that only works on idiots and catpictures. you can't watermark code.
mircea_popescu: and from D it goes
to E and soon enough it's free, at which point everyone loses
the -ev counter-incentive.
mircea_popescu: except if D proposes
to get it for half price and not
tell you,
they are now +ev
mircea_popescu: the problem you have, however, is one of externalities. say A, B and C are your customers, and yes for
them giving your stuff away is -ev if you know about it.
mircea_popescu: but it isn't actually enough for
to pay for me
to be doing it.
mircea_popescu: this is also a point. amusingly enough,
trilema makes more money
than
the mean of web properties, notwithstanding
the fact
that it's enforced very laxily.
gabriel_laddel: The problem with
the DRM crowd is
that nothing
they have is valuable enough for someone
to give a damn about maintaining
the relationship.
gabriel_laddel: I don't know how
to get a hard guarantee, so don't. It becomes a "state secret" sort of situation at
that point.
mircea_popescu: not persuaded
taking
that away is enough
to fix drm
tho
mircea_popescu: interesting point
this. yes
the drm crowd wants contradictory
things
gabriel_laddel: the DRM crowd wants is both ways -
they want
to sell
to everyone and
to have
them not be able
to share it