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mircea_popescu: all
things rest on
the fundamental "do what i say or i'll fucking kill you".
mircea_popescu: so
then i'm guessing if indeed
this problem is encountered
thing should just die altogether.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered
that unlike dos, it does not support
this.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there can not be such a
thing as a language
that infringes
the father's priviledge.
mircea_popescu: if ada does not manage
to provide me with all
the
tools i need
to
the exclusion of
the power switch, i will ditch ada and move on
to programming in power switches.
mircea_popescu: this is besides
the point. my power
to kill any
thing at any
time shall not be infringed.
mircea_popescu: if i can't kill
threads any
time i want, I WILL NEVER SPAWN ANY.
mircea_popescu: the only possible basis for society, human as well as computer, is "all sons live exactly as long as father permits
them, and no longer."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no,
that's not
the fucking question.
the question is i don't have a wedgeable, and "somehow"
the shit dun die when i say.
mircea_popescu: the only correct solution
to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill
the program
then".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find
them and kill
them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".
mircea_popescu: yes, and if i have a gun in
the house "anyone could in principle end up pointed at with it". wtf is
this, pantsuit hour ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's quite evident WHENCE it came in
this discussion : we have some problems
to solve.
mircea_popescu: no dude,
the appeal of "do what i
tell you
to do" is an artefact of
the republic even existing in
the first place.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: equiring more perl --
the perl programmer who veers off
the road into
the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every
tree
that blocks his progress,
then drive a few meters and repeat
the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted
to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on
the road is a managerial responsibility, and it
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:28 diana_coman: not while
they are in an infinite loop it seems
mircea_popescu: of course, education, esp common
trunk education, dun include anything as modern as support for
this non-1800s approach.
mircea_popescu: large cats are very vulnerable
to common pneumococcus, whioch makes one wonder whether it being "the cow disease" in humans is merely coincidence
mircea_popescu: this was fashionable in
the 1800s, but
to my eye
today, better way
to
think of species is in
terms of immune system protein
trees.
mircea_popescu: one way
to
think of species is in
terms of morphology, classify-by-what-it-looks-like.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:31 mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for
the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is
the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it
then follows
there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into
the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em.
BingoBoingo: How unfair
the Uruguayos managed
to produce a second city center in
their capital during
the interval.
mircea_popescu: so now, considering
this 1970-2020 fiddy year bridge -- how is baltimore ? did
the black preachers
turn it into a garden yet ?
mircea_popescu: 1970s us poverty very much correctly and convincingly depicted, and
then when running into latino poverty, he excalims "shit,
this is like baltimore or something"
BingoBoingo: "Asshole jogger
teased its diverse prey seeking drive,
then choked
the poor kitty after baiting it"
mircea_popescu: yeah, say, i was watching some oliver stone flicks (as part of an aborted integral, jesus
that guy sucks, and
the 70s suck with him) and in one of
them lester (of cucking de niro in casino fame) was a very poor reporter going
to san salvador
to report on
the 1970s maduro
thing
there (which btw -- last i heard still ongoing).
BingoBoingo: They are "down a young male" in
the same way Baltimore or Ferguson profess
to be before
they ritually burn so
the big drug drop can make it in
mircea_popescu: how can anyone be "down a young male" ?
that's what
the fuck
they're for, i'm not "down six boxes" because i got six boxes on atm.
BingoBoingo: Team puma is also down a young male after it aggressed against a jogger and got choked out
this week. Not really qntra, but in
the files for blogfodder.
mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for
the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is
the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it
then follows
there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into
the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it might
tickle you
to find
that while
the mountain lion (aka, puma) is a species of "least concern" (ie, in
the pantsuit designator of animal concern
trolling,
they figure as "excluded") nevertheless
the pantsuit comfortably living off other people's income in and around los angeles are "advising" "the
town" on how
to "improve genetic diversity" in
the "fragmented" populations.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll shoot em an email
today.
Their office is out in
the sticks near
the Palacio Legislativo. Long walk for a below
the fold story.
mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, you can't have a language like
that.
diana_coman: but I can't kill
them if
they are looping!!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo you'd rather have
them work not in a guarded maner but in an acid-ish manner, and kill
them after a set
time established administratively.
diana_coman: (since if
they block,
they also block
the whole
thing
that is stuck waiting on
them and can't kill
them even)
diana_coman: ximum set
time, so
that
they can guarantee
that
they will NEVER block no matter what
diana_coman: hm, in possibly interesting ada-bits: apparently "abort" for
tasks does not really kill
them if /when
they are in an infinite loop; according
to ada docs I got
the idea of "abort-deferred" i.e. in some states it won't abort but "infinite loop or waiting for a procedure call
to return" did not seem
to figure
there; in practical
terms
this means
that my workers will have
to attempt any Job in a guarded manner i.e. give up on it after some ma
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nevermind
the bomberos, and fi you're going
to do it at all do it
today.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 15:45 asciilifeform: in
the pictured example,
the only item
that ends up loaded is
the requested one.
BingoBoingo: I may have
to. May also have
to stop by
the Bomberos, but
that probably involves a lot of union wank.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so send
them emails / drop by offices in person, "hey, look!"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:45 diana_coman: I'll probably need
to find out exactly what
the overhead for
their creation is anyway
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: every
time you load one you have
to load
the whole pile of everything, for
the whole case set. eventually (it stands
to reason) you'll find it cheaper
to specialize
them.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in
things
that end up eating runtime
to "elaborate" and whatever ion
thios vein.
BingoBoingo: For
the Unfairness files: Local media finally reporting last night's fire. What picture do
they put above
the fold? One lifted from wikipedo where fire wasn't.
http://archive.is/2AVuL diana_coman: if /when desired (i.e. at shutdown
time,
the sequence might be something along
the lines send stop signal
to sjm and
then /after a while, if
there is anything still running, call
the abort)
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893544 -> adding
to
this, on (re)^n -read of docs I doubt
there's any benefit in having a controlled
type in
there; essentially
the main
thread will *wait* for all
tasks spawned by
the SJM
to finish from what I understand; so
then aborting
them in a Finalize makes precisely 0 sense and instead I should probably make it a plain array and offer users of
the package a non-synchronised procedure
to abort
them
☝︎ mircea_popescu: every
time you load one you have
to load
the whole pile of everything, for
the whole case set. eventually (it stands
to reason) you'll find it cheaper
to specialize
them.
☟︎ diana_coman: hm, you mean
the overhead at creating
the job itself
then (as
that's
the object
that gets bigger
to elaborate)
diana_coman: and
the case-switch is done inside
the worker so on
their
time at most
mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in
things
that end up eating runtime
to "elaborate" and whatever ion
thios vein.
☟︎ diana_coman: from
the job market's pov it's easier
to have
them not-specialised really
mircea_popescu: i suspect you'll end up with
them specialized, rather
than case-switched, on acct of
the overhead involved. however,
time wil ltell
diana_coman: I'll probably need
to find out exactly what
the overhead for
their creation is anyway
☟︎ diana_coman: if
there's nothing for
them
to do,
they get killed; but not sure what's
the point in keeping
them idling anyway; i.e. if it's busy
then no,
they don't get killed
mircea_popescu: apache workers ain't jobs ; and i
took alf's comments
to mean "why are you killing
them 9k
times/s", which is in his usual style of random assumptive approach, nobody said
they'd be killed often.
diana_coman: I suspect asciilifeform's point was more along
the lines: why kill
them at all instead of letting
them idle in
there until something
to do; not really "why do you bother having a way
to create
them?"
diana_coman: in mircea_popescu's model/apache
terminology
the "workers" are in fact my jobs
there:
they get created , executed, finish
mircea_popescu: there's nothing
to force you
to kill
them any more often
than you benefit from anyway.
diana_coman: re workers and specialisation:
the worker
tasks are not specialised,
they do whatever job
they are given and moreover
the choice is made by job
type as it were
mircea_popescu: it is actually better
to have a robust life.death cycle
than
to pretend like death ain't supposed
to happen.