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mircea_popescu: in
the case of
the world,
the existence of people
that pump out stupidity.
mircea_popescu: in
the case of
the blockchain,
the existence of nodes
that pump out bad info.
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i
tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my
tests,
this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was
that 1) you lose
time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely
that any node you reconnect
to -also- shits just as many orphans.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136 <<
the latter point is correct, for now. but, much like us being here makes live marginally harder for now, yet
the presence of punishment for idiots provides
them an incentive
to either get killed or get fixed, just so putting
that in
there pre-pogo provides an avenue for
the network
to purge itself of idiocy.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: and gold standard != deflation for
the record. not anymore
than diarrhea =
transpiration
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 20:42:43; decimation: if you want
to see academic 'tardation in its glory,
this is
the place
to go
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149130 << notwithstanding
that
the dudes in question are probably illiterate, gold standard does in fact not work for a large array or reasons.
this exercise is not unlike an attempt
to deride qm on
the grounds
that
the various
twerps making money out of govt grants in physics academia could not explain it.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 19:47:00; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> yeah its weird << nothing weird about it.
the sync mechanism is braindamaged more or less as far as it is even possible
to be braindamaged.
Adlai: although i guess it could be an experiment, and
the experimenters wanted
to only diddle
their own keys,
to minimize collateral damage
Adlai: why would key owners distribute bad versions of
their own keys?
Lk4_DPB: by
the owner or someone else?
Adlai: Lk4_DPB: doubtful, it's more likely
the dud keys were placed
there intentionally
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 01:17:36; ben_vulpes: look danielpbarron
there's a function in common lisp named for you!
Lk4_DPB: the servers accept any key is
the problem?
Adlai: the keys are fine,
the servers are fucked
Lk4_DPB: i was at some event in milano and
they
talked about assets as a
the place
that knoews best about bitcoin adn
that discovered a probem with rsa keys
danielpbarron: >> At
this
time, I oppose increasing
the block size limit as per Gavin's proposal.
midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also,
this is presuming
the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering
the physical drives are unavailable for examination.
☟︎ midnightmagic: Important enough when
the alternative is an emailed rootpass. :(
williamdunne: i.e using
the cheap blades how many servers can you fit per maybe 48us?
midnightmagic: williamdunne: We are forced
to use a
TLS channel
to order product from
them. We should be able
to spin up a fresh server using
that interface solely, and ssh keys entered via it.
williamdunne: jurov: Wow, I can get you better
than
that.
Thats pretty pathetic
jurov: I personally got only an offer
to share a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded
to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo
☟︎ williamdunne: jurov: Out of stock,
too many people bought
that cheap 6 euro dedicated server
midnightmagic: There also doesn't seem
to be any ways
to use keys without passwords, or set up new servers without email.
midnightmagic: A 100% freshly-installed, default-settings online.net server in France was owned virtually immediately. Online.net support didn't answer
the reinstall
ticket for a month. If online.net has been successful,
then success probably caused
them
to start sucking.
jurov: williamdunne: yes i knew about it. but, what do you
think "victim of its own success" mean? :DDD
williamdunne: jurov: Have you seen online.net? Its kinda like
the server hosting
thing you were looking at
Adlai: it's ok, you start looking for a
toilet after 750 nuggets
Adlai: premature hyberbitcoinization is
the root of all bubbles
Adlai: if we're gonna have live
trades, why not add paymium?
williamdunne: Deflation is bad because why buy a sandwich
today when you can buy
two in 30 years
decimation: if you want
to see academic 'tardation in its glory,
this is
the place
to go
☟︎ decimation: Anil Kashyap of U. Chicago '10 strong disagree' A gold standard regime would be a disaster for any large advanced economy. Love of
the G.S. implies macroeconomic illiteracy.
decimation: William Nordhaus of Yale: '10 strong disagree'
This proposal makes no sense in
the modern world. Just look at
the Eurozone
to see
the consequences.
decimation: If
the US replaced its discretionary monetary policy regime with a gold standard, defining a "dollar" as a specific number of ounces of gold,
the price-stability and employment outcomes would be better for
the average American.
decimation: but I'm not sure if
those checks actually are effective in
the bastards case, gonna need
to read more code
decimation: jurov: yeah it does seem
that
there is some
tracking of orphan spamming nodes
decimation: jurov:
there is definitely
tracking of when a node was 'last heard'. what misbehvior are you
talking about?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm
trying
to crawl my way
through it. are
these nodes actually hostile or do
they just not have
the full blockchain?
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector
that
tripped when we learn
that
the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above
threshold. perhaps
time
to bring
this back ?)
decimation: I added
the ip of
the node
that was passed when ProccesBlock was called
decimation: asciilifeform: as an example, I have 131 'BASTARDS' between
two accepts
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 16:48:57; asciilifeform:
the idea of phuctor is
to detect duplicate privatekey material in use anywhere.
the reuse of one particular divisor is only one possible scenario - it is also possible
that a very ham-handedly sabotaged pgptron somewhere reuses a whole pair of factors -
that is,
two or more strangers may, somewhere, share an entire private key.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, whatever, random derp
trying
to sell books or whatever by "being controversial"
mod6: ok, i see you fired up
the werker, stopped
the pump
mod6: ah, up
to 20 moduli broken now 'eh
mod6: meanwhile, I'm nearly
there with
this gentoo install on
this pos box. i did something funky i
think, at
the end of lastnight grub was screwed up. need
to figure
that out.
mod6: Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage
Thermonuke } + {
TX Orphanage Amputation } is up
to block: 280995
jurov: is
the original submission for EDDF63E available somewhere?
jurov: like EDDF63E ... and looks like it was submitted
to phuctor directly, i can't find it on sks keyserver
jurov: i mean
there can be multiple rsa keys in one gpg key, no?
jurov: ok,
thanks for explanation. i have not realized
the difference between moduli and factors