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mp_en_viaje: hypercube's not particularly useful,
as it's not a geometric shape. but even 2d, not bad.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:47 diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it
as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
mp_en_viaje: even THESE FUCKTARDS understand they need the wot, ideologically dedicated
as they are to pretending otherwiswe.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:26 asciilifeform: near
as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it
as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
☟︎ diana_coman: yes; and client is entirely open up to players to make
as well
as they want to have it.
diana_coman: this guy is the first that doesn't quite seem "c++ in ada" really i.e. he seems more focused on Ada for the right reasons; I suspect more the windows-based trouble
as it were.
diana_coman: and yes, it's certainly precisely the case that copious heapisms, pointerisms etc - the reason for it being
as far
as I can see quite obvious too: no sweating from 1st principles, much easier that way, sure
diana_coman:
as I'm coming from a few years already of reading and wrestling planeshift code, I can't say it'll be reading heathen Ada that would cost me time, lol.
diana_coman:
as I said earlier: I don't think it *has to*; but he clearly doesn't have a problem with it and so he uses it; there are quite a few things grating, yes;
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 23:57 OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing,
as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting here with coffee, disaronno an' excellent italian gelatto, tryna find the bottom. so far -- bottomless bimbos,
as in the celebrated "sfondami tutta"
mp_en_viaje: intel is
as much a computer maker
as any umbrella shop.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 17:48 asciilifeform: ~that~ is how sane folx build irons. and not idjit intel's 'i'ma happily execute this random pile o'bits
as a cpu instruction anytime' nonsense.
OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing,
as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 21:31 mp_en_viaje: the driver of the error is the desire of having a ~unique~ personality. it is not deemed sufficient, by contemporary man, to merely have the same personality
as the entire tableau of orthodox saints. there's too many of those, see. gotta be unique.
as it can't be unique and meaningful at te same time (think, can it ?)... all that's left is the getting-drunk-on-tapwater "secret parameters".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, not a matter of softs. the dram protocol's
as hardware
as it gets.
mp_en_viaje: if you expect to detect electically isolated islands,
as what you mean by "optically", then yes.
mp_en_viaje: but the point here was, that
as long
as what you're implemeting is, say, tcp, or dram, what you will get is not in fact a safely auditable object.
mp_en_viaje: neither are you. the only approach is to not use towers of shit. trying to calculate the resonance frequencies of arbitrary shitpiles is going to get you in the same line
as karman went
mp_en_viaje: this may also be true, but the true constraint is the relative height of the previous objection. inasmuch
as your ethernet stack looks like an ethernet stack, you're not hiding it.
PeterL: recently I saw an ad for some brokerage service, they actually included
as one of the selling points "you can feel like a trader!"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 12:01 OriansJ: now I am willing to build from source tools (after an audit) that will work with v; so that I can interact with the patches directly but
as I have not finished an audit nor trust anyone who has previously audited the code; I am left with the bad option of setting up a burn box to view the patches.
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907209 << it's not effective for you, personally. this is deliberate, because we deliberately do not wish to support the "foss ethos", so to call this contemporaneous impudence where sophomore medical school students expect to walk into operating theatres and start cutting on bodies
as they lay on operating tables.
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: (in fairness -- the why not is that by now bitter experience with all sorts of "libre" dorks has clearly shown they function
as an imperial decoy and ~nothing else. i can't distinguish between "3d printing" sintered "guns", raspberry pi bullshit, and any other such item).
mp_en_viaje: specifically : just
as ~any other idiocy~, carried by the high tide of industrialisation, would have just
as falsely appeared just
as successful
as "modern democracy", and just
as ~any other idiocy~, carried by the high tide of european stock, would have jus tas falsely appeared just
as fundamental
as xtianity, just so any attempt at computer design in the period of not-really-having-electronics'd have ended up braindamaged.
mp_en_viaje: it makes about
as much sense to have os strings
as it does to have os bitmaps.
mp_en_viaje: there's entirely no need of "utf/unicode/bs" ; the place where these go,
as a mask atop bytes, is where "strings
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 21:48 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907021 << 'dos'
as typically discussed here is simply shorthand for 'os that fits in coupla kB and gets the fuck out of the way and speaks only when spoken to' , roughly
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 12:59 OriansJ: Mocky: Don't get stuck on the idea of Floating point, it is just an example of classes of instructions that are complex to implement in hardware that a proper illegal instruction trap will allow us to move between hardware and software with no one else having to care what we are doing.
As we want people programming to standards not to systems.
mp_en_viaje: likbez : any machine that can simulate itself is turing-complete. the word "machine" is meant most abstractly, something
as bare-bones
as maths people would call "a function" could conceivably qualify. an ~imagined~ tape with a theoretically defined reading head associated eminently qualifies. and so on.
mp_en_viaje: i reallly dislike noun strings, espcially
as the count goes over 3.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 12:46 Mocky: and in addition you suggested floating point
as software addon. turing completeness can now be achieved after the fact!
diana_coman: it's not hard to have a lot of luggage, sure; though I never really regretted having smaller luggage
as it were (and I almost always find it too big, too much anyway!)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:46 phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like
logotron will render it
as just "logotron" in html?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-05 22:45 OriansJ: BingoBoingo: well I guess we need to discuss short term vs long term expectations
as those pieces seem to be multiple pieces pulling in different directions
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 12:01 OriansJ: now I am willing to build from source tools (after an audit) that will work with v; so that I can interact with the patches directly but
as I have not finished an audit nor trust anyone who has previously audited the code; I am left with the bad option of setting up a burn box to view the patches.
OriansJ: phf: well few people would understand that position; so I tend to express concepts in forms for general consumption. Even though it will result in loss of precision;
as few people are technical enough to care about the details lost.
OriansJ: now I am willing to build from source tools (after an audit) that will work with v; so that I can interact with the patches directly but
as I have not finished an audit nor trust anyone who has previously audited the code; I am left with the bad option of setting up a burn box to view the patches.
☟︎☟︎ OriansJ: phf: The choice of browser
as per your previous comment
OriansJ: asciilifeform: I am good with that
as well; provided we actually bootstrap it properly
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d
as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
a111: Logged on 2019-04-05 23:38 OriansJ:
As for the operating system floor; there is a micro-posix subset that might be of interest
as it would be enough for bootstrapping full operating systems but not complex enough to have anything non-deterministic.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-05 23:02 OriansJ: bvt: Actually DOS wouldn't be the correct direction
as it is actually more complex to implement portably and it's abstraction layer isn't right for a good general bootstrap.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: WU is not. Normal bank wires work. WU is offered
as an option because it works for people inside the wire sending to LATAM. Unsure how smooth WU UK would be.
OriansJ: Mocky: Don't get stuck on the idea of Floating point, it is just an example of classes of instructions that are complex to implement in hardware that a proper illegal instruction trap will allow us to move between hardware and software with no one else having to care what we are doing.
As we want people programming to standards not to systems.
☟︎ Mocky: and in addition you suggested floating point
as software addon. turing completeness can now be achieved after the fact!
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-04-05 23:02 OriansJ: bvt: Actually DOS wouldn't be the correct direction
as it is actually more complex to implement portably and it's abstraction layer isn't right for a good general bootstrap.
OriansJ: electrically seperating them and simply require an Interlock delay when registers are updated between units)
as that is the closest approximation of the 88.5 registers that is optimal
OriansJ: one minor note; there is a common pattern with structs to load (base + offset) followed by arithmetic/logic with another register and generally writing out to another (base + offset). So it is tempting to put in instructions to do those; but
as the VAX has shown, it isn't worth the additional complexity.
OriansJ:
As for the operating system floor; there is a micro-posix subset that might be of interest
as it would be enough for bootstrapping full operating systems but not complex enough to have anything non-deterministic.
☟︎ OriansJ: hence why I assumed a hardware mechanism for loading paper tape into memory and setting all registers to zero and then boot;
as it eliminates the bootloader and the operating system entirely from the question.
OriansJ: actually I am extremely familiar with ARMv7's instruction encodings
as I have been porting M2-Planet to it recently (boy it is a shitshow)
OriansJ: bvt: Actually DOS wouldn't be the correct direction
as it is actually more complex to implement portably and it's abstraction layer isn't right for a good general bootstrap.
☟︎☟︎ OriansJ: 1) Did you mean in regards to minimal hardware requirements or the set which would make it a host platform worth using after the bootstrap is done and 2) Generally a higher level language such
as Ada or C.
OriansJ: BingoBoingo: well I guess we need to discuss short term vs long term expectations
as those pieces seem to be multiple pieces pulling in different directions
☟︎ bvt: of course, ada/gnat is too complex for bootstrapping
as-is, but i guess equivalent safety properties would be still required
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diana_coman: asciilifeform, hope you get well soon! and no, don't get to delirium (or even serious shivers
as that's likely to come first anyway)
mp_en_viaje: wings are a quaint artefact of the propeller era ;
as commercial airliner no longer actually uses propellers, there's no objective reason to stick to the wing design.
mp_en_viaje: the cost to make point c 500 or so km
as opposed to the current 10 isn't THAT significant, considering the air is rather thin past the first 5-6km anyway. yes it's expensive to defeat gravity, but not
AS expensive, because it scales with square of distance anyway, by the time you've done 10 out of 500 you've done such a large chunk of the work already...
mp_en_viaje: "and when he fell down without glamour or grace but a cry of 'attack!' frozen into his face all of Earth could not find slabs of marble so tall
as to carve him
as high
as he stood in his fall!"