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trinque: to date the guy has produced zero anyone uses, and I dunno why anyone entertains the larping and dick-pulling
trinque: who gives a shit. I made mine because it was trivial and I didn't want to hear about it anymore
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's not a personal attack, i disagree that i agreed that v.pl was doing the Right Thing in leaving ~/.gnupgtmp hanging around
gabriel_laddel: aite. but ftr you can ASSIGN me stuff that I will do. eg, leaving CA, finding job. Eventually was convinced.
mod6: i hope you're not trying to say that im simply making this up
mod6: my vtron has been discussed very much over the last 2+ years. i remember many disucssions where rules popped out. ☟︎
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> logs save us from the "but i thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory. << i feel ya. if you wanna help me dig, that'd be awesome.
ben_vulpes: mod6: make a disposable tempdir like stans original and my port. i don't know whence this 'agree', stan's original was clear enough.
mod6: and the details of what the change is to do are clear so I can implement them as such.
ben_vulpes: logs save us from the "but i thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory.
mod6: i know, i haven't had a chance to look yet.
mircea_popescu: as i say -- i see no way out here ; we'll end up with the v-code + blog-commentary ostrich-camel and god help us./
asciilifeform: sorta why i favour the structure-editor and store-EVERYTHING-as-sexprs approach.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem. you can't disagree with my theory and i have no practical solution for your pain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't at all disagree , re comments
gabriel_laddel: and can I call M a NOT-LISPM?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform should I even bother stopping in then?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu makes one -- i'll buy
mircea_popescu: hey, all i do is predict, i dun like or dislike.
asciilifeform: i won't disagree with abolishing'em when ~possible~ cleanly
asciilifeform: i'ma carry right on wrapping comments to 80, like father and grandfather did and like the gods intended.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's no possible solution here ; i expect the defacto result will be that patches will consist of code, wrapped 80, including 0 comments, plus blogposts, consisting of commentary, with some haphazard code reference.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i don't
asciilifeform: i'ma disagree that the use of paper is 'bad habit'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 09:56 diana_coman: which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read them as text not as code-which-they-are-not)
ben_vulpes: hey man i only figured out how conditionals worked today
ben_vulpes: then at that point the historical perspective was obviously necessary and i've simply never seen modern arch's as anything other than complexity madness in search of itty bitty performance gains on systems nobody can actually reason about
ben_vulpes: i only started thinking about compute because of bitcoin, and shortly after i started thinking about it in earnest (like maybe a month, six weeks something like that) you showed up in #b-a and /even at that point/ were talking about eg trinary circuits and computing fabric
ben_vulpes: i've never been burdened with the "This Is How Things Are" of the c-machine
ben_vulpes: it all strikes me as so very silly on the surface but i have a weird lens of not having thought about any of the related shit until ~2013 and even then only through republican eyes
mod6: i don't have a chance right this moment to do that, will look tho when i can
mod6: now, i can add an attempt to remove the thing before we even begin main(), but i thought we had discussed this. i'll have to dig up the old thread.
mod6: im getting pulled off here... i'ma try to circle back to this but...
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't actually recall any agreement on the topic, you did yours one way and i another, and i cannot recall how asciilifeform's original handled this
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-05#1316693 is what i dig up on the topic ☝︎
ben_vulpes: had to go beat self with everything i was never beaten with starting in my early twenties when the republic kicked off
mod6: im pretty sure we all had this discussion once upon a time, and it's only doing now, what we agreed to do before. I can go and dig for that.
asciilifeform: mod6: the temp dir is primo example of an always-ok-to-kill item. i.e. one which the vtron run itself created and would never otherwise exist
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that ben_vulpes had done hard time on jvm
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764971 << porque no?? It isn't like it didn't mean that BEFORE you learned it. Plus, now you got extra layers: "I R SRS BSNS, ANAL!1!" ☝︎
ben_vulpes: right, i shelled out to mktmpdir in mine
ben_vulpes: it is a minor thing that i occasionally trip over
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 << hah, i read it and didn't notice that it was with fare. there's more fare interactions there of similar nature. ☝︎
shinohai: I seem to be patched in and basic functions working, so sing out when ready to test mod6 o7
mod6: wanna see the experimental patch i'm workin on?
mod6: There are better error messages, or averting a silent fail that will also help here. I haven't gotten that far on that part yet.
mod6: yeah, i actually did add a 'check_required' routine that is semi-related to this. for instance, when that error happened, it was because some guy didn't have `sha512sum'. so the check_required subroutine will now run first, and check to ensure that a list of system biniaries are available before anything happens. and if not, exits.
mod6: I went through each one, looks to be doing the sane thing. I'm probably going to write it up in a little post that can be looked at, as opposed to trying to explain all of that in 3 lines of irc. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: not bad! i implemented the pill to calculate the press path from a given leaf. seems to be working pretty well. i ran all my automated tests, passed 50/54 without incident. Four of the tests are pretty complex test cases where we basically yank one of the vpatches out of the middle of a vtree, then test to ensure that we avoid that where required.
BingoBoingo: Dammit, I'm not going to be able to mispell now for creative effect anymore am I
BingoBoingo: And the registrations are starting to trickle in. I R SRS BSNS NAO!
asciilifeform: i dun particularly relish pythonism, but proliferation of 'i wrote it on a napkin, on a train, while drunk' script langs, incl. elisp-style dynamicscope abortions, is imho harmful
diana_coman: I'll have a look at gps then
asciilifeform: ( i recommend to nonemacsists, to try it )
diana_coman: aha; so no argument in fact; basically you say "I need emacs for what I'm doing because slime"; I say "so far I'm happily not cornered by anything into using emacs"
asciilifeform: but then again why the everlivingfuck would i run with defaults on a ~configurable~ tool that i use 14+ hr/day )
diana_coman: well, I never used slime so I can't comment
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 << i'm quite tempted to give the archive another combing and make a sequel to my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 item ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and i 'can work' with other editor, just as can write with goose feather and ink also, and can saw with hand saw instead of electric saw... so long as it is understood that everything will take 50x longer.
asciilifeform: the only item i use that has no equiv whatsoever outside of emacsland, is slime
asciilifeform: not sure how it'd cripple , aside from cultivating the 'unreasonable' expectation of sanity (i.e. extensibility) of editor
diana_coman: as long as it doesn't basically cripple me to everything else, I can use it, sure
diana_coman: as a side note, that's precisely why I did *not* adopt emacs in the end despite liking it quite a lot when met it at uni: it was VERY useful indeed but the sort of useful that was too close to addictive for my liking essentially
diana_coman: so basically columns newspaper style, as I was saying yesterday, yes; inevitably, if 80 cols, ofc
asciilifeform: back when i had a horizontal display, most of the time i had it column-split and emacs 'followmode' to flow proggy between them
diana_coman: I suspect it's more the investment in the habit really; printer might be *one form* but it doesn't convince me much in itself
asciilifeform: i suspect the key difference b/w 'x columns or bust' folx and the others, is the habit of using printer
diana_coman: I suppose I'm not much of a train basically
diana_coman: ah, should have been precise there: they don't make a difference for me at this stage; I can stick to 80 just as I can stick to 76 really
diana_coman: I was just writing that! lol
diana_coman: which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read them as text not as code-which-they-are-not) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 03:07 mircea_popescu: so to have closure, i suppose http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763975 should read "80 cols plox what is this"
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764721 <- so I gather the 80 cols habit won the day for code ☝︎
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> holy hell i lived to see the end of the 4th day of 2018 logs. << ikr!
asciilifeform: ( i can't see from where mircea_popescu extracts this )
asciilifeform: would be neat to generate keys in bounded time. and know primality for a fact. BUT i dun have, yet, such a pill.
asciilifeform: all i got, is m-r
asciilifeform: i dun have the martian one, ftr.
mircea_popescu: even if i admit this objection, which i dunno i should but let's, for fellowship -- 2037 still not much room to work with
mircea_popescu: if your magic maker uses say 2044 bits of input, therefore you have half as many possible states than i do!
asciilifeform: i dun see how worse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have a different problem : even if "no bit of input is more influential than other" i STILL want to put in no less than 2045 bits of input ; AND get out no MORE! than 2048 bit long prime.
asciilifeform: then again i didn't expect 'primes is in p' either.
asciilifeform: nor do i expect to see a solution.
mircea_popescu: tho i am deeply suspicious of constructed primes.
mircea_popescu: i'd read.
mircea_popescu: holy hell i lived to see the end of the 4th day of 2018 logs.
asciilifeform: re prime gen -- i suspect that the problem can be finessed ,
asciilifeform: i mean ffs, koch dun even leave a knob to get ~key~ entropy trngistically.
mircea_popescu: i'm dealing with "four rounds of m-r and a 5th fixed with 2, so as to fix the cone of blindness" bs and you want me to care about the 2047th bit ?
mircea_popescu: i dun want it.
mircea_popescu: i don't want the 1/4 bit of parity
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764342 << cuz i've been mostly the one guy reading her code to date i guess ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
mircea_popescu: (and there was some idiot sheila from down below years ago ; i recall lulzing in the logs as to how this wonder will drive rapist to a) probe and b) beat into a squirming, faceless mess any bitch dumb enough to go around with it)
asciilifeform: errybody literate, i suspect, uses
mircea_popescu: i'm too lazy to dig up where mp says he uses old amds, but w/e.
asciilifeform: ( does 0 on pre-obummer amd, i will add )
ben_vulpes: i'm still waiting on my three secret beakers
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 19:58 ben_vulpes: yes i know, in ro