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asciilifeform: trinque: it in fact put comments in unrelated file. just as i described must be done to tie up strands, when i released v

asciilifeform: i'ma summarize the v thing : if you have a proposed new v algo ; and it would turn my 1kB patches into 1MB, and my readable 3 lines into 100kLoc of ?#@%$*(@%% , and my trivial machine-diff-verifiable changes into 'why dontcha sit for 5 years doing eyeball-powered diff' -- it is NOT an improvement. and i won't touch it. sign it. sign anything made on it. etc ☟︎☟︎

trinque: first off, I wrote the makefiles, mod6 modified. speaking of political fog.

asciilifeform: i thought it was clear

asciilifeform: mod6's 'makefiles' was able to cleanly build on 'asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected' , without regrinding anything. i still fail to understand what would have been gained by forcing mod6 to ~manually~ regrind the entire history of entire fucking world in order to produce 'makefiles' ( and for the latter to consequently weigh a megabyte , instead of 10kb !!! )

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 23:48 asciilifeform: srsly i dunget why all of you lot so much want to break v. it WORKS.

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765599 << I'm not dignifying this shit. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: arguing has honed how i see the problem at least

asciilifeform: srsly i dunget why all of you lot so much want to break v. it WORKS. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: i'm going to tap out, will wait for mircea_popescu to pour some more fuel on this one.

asciilifeform: but i'ma rewind upstack : trinque is entirely free to begin using this type of v right now ! by coalescing whole proggy into 1 file. then he can see what ends up happening to his tree.

asciilifeform: i will not tie OWN hands to possibly constrain some idiot somewhere.

asciilifeform: and i'ma have nothing to do with any project that makes use of such a system.

trinque: I am not going to sidestep onto that point. I made one, have anything to say to it?

trinque: I do not need to edit the fucking thing to depend on a particular state of it

trinque: sure it is; I proposed before that the antecedent hash ought to be the hash of the concatenation

asciilifeform: i think i grasp what trinque wants : for vtron to actually reflect the semantics of the code being juggled

asciilifeform: i pointedly do NOT agree that 'having to use an external tool like cp command' is a problem. for fuckssake you have to use a non-vtron tool to edit the coad ! vtron dun replace emacs.

asciilifeform: i am so far failing to see the mega-problem

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: think of it this way : EVERY time you edit ANYTHING, you created 'invalid' state, i.e. one that could never have been the result of a sequence of presses of previously-existing patches !

trinque: you edit db.cpp. I edit main.cpp. how does someone now use both of those pieces of work in a 3rd patch. ☟︎

asciilifeform: aite , if trinque gets it , i won't waste logspace

asciilifeform: trinque: consider how i solved this in trb.

asciilifeform: i oughta be able to take a 1MB text file, cut it in the middle, and swap the halves, and the resulting diff to be a few lines.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 04:52 mircea_popescu: trinque because it'll get a mess ; ben_vulpes it's just a counter. increments 1 from prev line. shall i do a sample pastebin ?

asciilifeform: into something to which i'd have , or not have, an objection

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun recall that this scheme was ever fleshed out

asciilifeform: i.e. when was the accusation ?

ben_vulpes: lest i ironclad myself

ben_vulpes: i know that it shouldn't, but i do like to actually test things

ben_vulpes: oh man i didn't even test against hex values

ben_vulpes: i'll noodle on it as appropriate, sure

ben_vulpes: nah, dun expect such of me; i draft plans for field construction of catapaults i don't invent them

asciilifeform: i thought ben_vulpes was speaking of a soln to the branch thing

ben_vulpes: oh sorry sorry, i meant a solution to the ch4 puzzle

ben_vulpes: i haven't bitten off the patch yet, and might not get to it by the time you release ch6, this all takes me a lot longer than phf or lobbes

ben_vulpes: i has it!

asciilifeform: aaaactually i can think of 1 way :

a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool )

asciilifeform: grrrr http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763210 i mean. ☝︎

asciilifeform: and btw i gotta take back http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 -- in that i have nfi how to 'abolish the _' while making nested conditionals still work. ☝︎

asciilifeform: however the _ can be made to disappear, at the cost of an added moving part. i will ask ben_vulpes to draw this moving part, as exercise.

asciilifeform: this is an engineering tension, ben_vulpes ; i'll grant that the trailing _ is ugly. however it makes the mechanism simpler, all { are handled in exactly same way, and ditto all }

ben_vulpes: i am having just a terrible time with the else-clause pushing a zero to the stack

ben_vulpes: i thought that's what irccloud advertised

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763210 << once i realized what was going on... ☝︎

mod6: then ill dig into the tmpdir thing. i want to ensure that the bug fix i've made is correct before I proceed.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 15:40 mod6: I went through each one, looks to be doing the sane thing. I'm probably going to write it up in a little post that can be looked at, as opposed to trying to explain all of that in 3 lines of irc.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764988 << good idea. << fwiw, i'll be working on this to ensure that the bug fix is correct. ☝︎

mod6: Ok, will look into a better way to handle this. I appreciate your passionate want to make this better.

mod6: in the case of failure, i could try to remove the tmpdir during the 'Death()' call or something. But with interrupted execution, there's no way to know when the interrupt is coming. Nothing to do about it here.

mod6: So here's what I'll do: I'll revisit this, and try to come up with a unique tempdir. This tempdir is to be used exactly once. Created at run time. Removed at the end of run time. If execution fails or is interrupted, nothing will be done. It'll be left hanging there until the user removes it manually.

mod6: And I've taken a bit of a different direction, perhaps because of 'File::Tempdir' or some nonsense.

trinque: I'm sure it doesn't work. meant only to marketing-work

asciilifeform: signed, i suspect, what was put in front of him to sign, without even reading.

mod6: lemme break off here for a minute, i'll keep digging up the logs to prove we talked this over.

mod6: anyway, i appreciate all the feedback. its obvious that there is passion to get this part of my vtron right.

asciilifeform: in fact, if we weren't planning to take gpg behind the shed and shoot it, i'd publish my keyring-abolition patch ( gpg then DEMANDS pubkey FILE on cmdline for any op that uses one. ditto privates. )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764975 << very sad fucking item, i would fire the producer. contains "if he were" boilerplate verbiage copy-pasted in there, for utter shame. ☝︎

mod6: i gotta find these logs. im actually now convinced that we've discussed this very item not just once, but maybe even 3 or 4 times.

asciilifeform: i don't want to see it. ever. if i'm seeing it, vtron is broken !

mod6: and i don't think people want 1Mb of shit dumped to stdout

asciilifeform: ( i do not know from memory, what perl's is )

asciilifeform: afaik the best known solution is the one i used -- use the script lang's purpose-made lib for the item

mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: afaik this dun actually happen on any known unix << this the rub tho. have to make sure that it actually /NEVER/ happens. i can't have people failing in anyway with this thing.

trinque: I don't think there's ever a case where , yeap

mod6: maybe mktmpdir is sound for that. however, i remember discussing that before as well..and one fear that i had is that if you use mktmpdir, then you have a /tmp/23429adfsew32 dir.

mod6: before i ever 'green light' that kinda use of my vtron, i'd certainly like to test it myself etc. and ya, that dir would have to be unique.

mod6: now, for the concurrent part... now that's something I never did consider.

mircea_popescu: mod6 i suspect the idea is sound, but maybe the posixism of "single fixed file" dun serve

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 13:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 << i'm quite tempted to give the archive another combing and make a sequel to my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 item

mod6: i shouldn't say a lot. from time to time, one of alf's previous key ones would creep into ones flow or whatever, and you may want to check for yourself weather it verifies or not. or what gnupg might have been up to while executing v.

mod6: the idea behind leaving the .gnupgtmp around after execution, is there because i wanted it to be there. not weather this is the Right Thing or not.

mircea_popescu: i sadly lacked the formalism to usefully express it then. but now -- have.

mircea_popescu: i guess!

mircea_popescu: here, from random article : Sorry, furfies looking for group, I guess I fucked this one up for you ((But had you NOT complained about it -- who knows, maybe you'd still have PMs available ?)).\n\nPS. Today as in <A href=http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/>2014</a>,

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect i should have said single stack.

asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's head 'plain text' means strictly v100, i.e. this convenient (too convenient) item 'the customer Got Accustomed To'(tm)(r) in 1950s and is old, tired, being asked to do all sorts of contradictory things like sane diffability, structure-preserving edits, etc

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neh! i have a magic box, into which i pour the transcendent substance that makes trilema. it comes out as ascii yes, but how is it plain.

asciilifeform: trinque: i'd bet d00d has spells of sobriety, he has afaik already outlived the expected life of a serious meth aficionado ☟︎

trinque: hey after mircea_popescu's various whallops on me about weed, I gave up daily caffeine even. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and given that i ain't his personal physician , i dun even care if he does the job while tripping , or while sober, so long as he does )

trinque: heh, so then. quit stimulants, dumbass. and I'll consider removing the negrate.

asciilifeform: aaanyway gabriel_laddel knows how to do this experiment. i look forward to hearing result

gabriel_laddel: you said LEAVE DUMBASS. I thought about it -- left.

gabriel_laddel: trinque I'm in ohio now, fwiw

trinque: what kind of appeal is this. "oh but I have limitations"

asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i have never set foot in those lands. only met east cunts.

asciilifeform: i presume yes ?

trinque: I lived in Portland among the pantsuit cunts

gabriel_laddel: I never got a chance bc fighting all the idiots in CA myself. Same with archiver.Got banned before was able to host in house someone OK'd me for.

gabriel_laddel: training a NN on FG output to see if it trains faster so I can sell them ☟︎

gabriel_laddel: I'm here for the lispm, and staying for the FUCKGOATS

gabriel_laddel: the order I was anticipating was: M release for tmsr (free, obo), then NNFG, then RSA. lobbes has done/ is doing archiver

asciilifeform: i.e. what brings gabriel_laddel to #t ?

gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform sorry, this is tasks I HAVE ACCEPTED onto stack.

trinque: I dunno how this one idiot kid slipped through the crucify-the-useless process

trinque: asciilifeform: I don't need extra reasons to hate the useless