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mircea_popescu: o hey, so here's a deal, read out the log to them. i'll pay you say a bitcent for an hour.

sofiababy: dude evry one is a prostitute to some degree

mircea_popescu: lol are you becoming a republican ho ?

mircea_popescu: hung out with restaurant owner guy, got a sampler. old monk seemed best

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:52 cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)

BingoBoingo: Lol, poor gangsta roll. A victim of "When?"

mircea_popescu: talk about "running out of looking like a sucker".

mircea_popescu: that's a thousand dollars with an annualized growth rate of 328% eh. NOT BAD

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)

mircea_popescu: "Eventually if you keep buying you either run out of money or run out of looking like a sucker." ahaha.

mircea_popescu: that's a point.

mircea_popescu: trinque can you run <g id="graph0" class="graph" transform="scale(1 1) rotate(0) translate(4 15840.7)"> on a dataset composed of log link references / nick references ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: a sorry.

mircea_popescu: which is why "surprised by wealth" exists as a concept. ers wasn't being creative, he was being... you know, manly. filling a pre-existing hole.

mircea_popescu: through the following mechanism : "Has it only been four years ?!?!?!?" asks the boy. "I think I aged less than that's worth", ie, "good use of my time", ie... a derivative sort of youth elixir.

BingoBoingo: The locals are a very welcoming people.

BingoBoingo: Next Friday one of the other enterprises is throwing a "Welcome to Uruguay" welcome asado for the gringo, which I should be much more awake for than the end of the year celebration asado they threw at the cowork which coincided with the day of my arrival.

BingoBoingo: Anyways, if this were a hotel and I were paying hotel prices... the minor for hostel structural and chinche issues would not be so easily dismissed, and there would be wrath

BingoBoingo: Yeah, but reiterating the problem for log readers. The hotel/hostel confusion seems to be a persistent one in conversations.

BingoBoingo: Language exposure, plan is renting an apartment in February when vacation season is a least winding down.

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/18/a-second-sunday-for-the-midwestern-rube/ << Bingo Blog - A Second Sunday For the Midwestern Rube

BingoBoingo baking a blog post, he caminado mucho este Domingo pasado

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they like to have both tracks running, iirc << AHA, this and rock music appears to be what shaped most of the younger local's english language ability. Ingles subtitulo Espanol, Not a very functional thing, thankfully only a flash of stink eye pushes them pack into spanish practice mode.

mircea_popescu: selling "tech" stocks ie, worthless web-venture paper is a good move in any case.

ben_vulpes: gods bless, his webpage loads in half a second

ben_vulpes: and now for something completely different: http://archive.is/IEa6u "I have always been fascinated, and a little troubled, by the concept of paper money, or fiat currency. If I think about it too long it makes my head hurt and I have an urge to sell all of my tech stocks and buy gold."

ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/p526V << certain elements of the pravda are funny; the classic socialistoid "assuming the sale" in "The truth has been rendered here irrelevant" in regards to the /defamation case/, also the hilarious verdict of ~"you'd have to be /uniquely stupid/ to not understand that you're a public figure by virtue of just fucking look at yourself"

mircea_popescu: so the whole "understanding" bullshit is a case of utterly misdefined goals.

mircea_popescu: note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bl;a bla. people very provably do not either.

mircea_popescu: "understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success.

asciilifeform: this is the kind of pseudo-pithy item that folx cough up the day they first encounter a lisp , and then walk around ashamed of for years

mircea_popescu: "The marketing people are not there to teach people, so probably one of the most disastrous interactions with computing was the fact that you could make money selling simulations of old, familiar media, and these apps just swamped most of the ideas of Doug Engelbart, for example. The Web browser, for many, many years, and still, even though it's running on a computer that can do X, Y, and Z, it's now up to about X and 1/2 of

mircea_popescu: now it's ununiform rl in a DIFFERENT WAY

phf: the easiest way to fix is of course to link to "print" version, which on sites of certain vintage is usually a single page

phf: well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner)

mircea_popescu: that;s a new one

a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )

mats: i never heard of a kr with the name wong

mircea_popescu saw this at airport today, guy with a placard, "mr wong & miss ho"

ben_vulpes: well and being a pissoir for the webatlarge

asciilifeform: and that looks like a fork of ye olde mplayer

mircea_popescu: "why are you biting out of a turd ?" "fortifying self for trench time, i hear sometimes people there have to drink piss"

mircea_popescu: phf i use vlc. i prefer to sacrifice a box to it than waste anyone's time thus.

phf: asciilifeform: i want to watch movies! i figured i can do better than a close source vlc package, apparently not

phf: further unrelated to conversation lulz. package formula references fribidi (implementation of fucking bidirectional unicode). the url for it with the site and everything is dead, but there's a shithub page. formula references fribidi-0.19.7.tar.bz2, github has 0.19.7.tar.gz. ~these are apparently different beast, because using later fails the build, while tracking a copy of the first one succeeds~. this is beyond insanity.

mircea_popescu: except in the formulation here, there is no possibility of performance outside of a structure of identity, and the identity can not be predicated on the performance.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."

asciilifeform: it's a recurring thread , 'so you fooled'em into thinking yer a doctor, now they bring you a bleeding wreck , naowat'

mircea_popescu: see, cuz goat imagines everyone's a goat, and what, ro is a small enough country that x and y would know each other

asciilifeform: therw was a similar piece by mircea_popescu re some d00d who tried to lie his way into 'manager' work

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753228 << "how did you become a great physicist ?" "well... first i became a moderately-great physicist, and then an above-moderately-great physicist, and then..." ☝︎

mircea_popescu: so... one funeral at a time. yeah. this'd be why. performance can't be a fucking substitute for identity.

mircea_popescu: it's an identity issue. the sort of girl that gets all gung ho about "being first girl to" is going to a) be trying too hard and b) be not listening too well.

mircea_popescu: "i ate a lot of shit to come this far" is a fundamental problem. they CAN NOT go slower, and lower. and they CAN NOT hear anyone telling them to. you understrand why ?

mircea_popescu: understand what the crew here is : they're people who pour gasoline out of a large hose straight in the nose of a running jet engine, open air like that. hot refuelling it's called. they're people who get sucked into the damned things doing it, not and again.

asciilifeform: this is typical in american machines, they all come with a 'it hurts -- dun do that' , e.g. phantom's irrecoverable spin

mircea_popescu: and THEN! with stalled engines, the force vector can actually outrule the damned rudder! you lose the plane for turning! and they flew this, and somehow won a war with the fucking clothes iron.

mircea_popescu: the courts rebuffed her ; then. the upper court even had to tell her that "calling the first women trying to do this public figure does not constitute a statement of some kind of negative judgement". because yes, she was intimating this.

mircea_popescu: and he deemed it a major securtity risk. which it was. as events proved.

mircea_popescu: now, all this was found out because an engineer involved leaked data. he did so because it was eggregious -- like how the sort of red mark that often ended a male';s career were accumulating in the double digits on these unfortunate souls' files

mircea_popescu: it's that there were four women ; which were judged by the (absolutely and entirely fair and utterly unsexist, as a factualmatter beyond dispute) men involved as : hultgreen, marginal, the rest, substandard.

mircea_popescu: the navy tried to win honestly ; and it failed. it's not JUST that woman, Hultgreen, crashed her airplane in a manner that a) was taught as incorrect and b) she had been negged for doing in training.

mircea_popescu: ... the purge discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ the navy and the airforce found themselves in a de facto competition

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me.

mircea_popescu: now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids.

asciilifeform: observe also that in practice the so-called 'physicists' ~never surrender, and how field 'advances 1 funeral at a time'

asciilifeform: it's a victory. the only kind there is.

asciilifeform: how the everliving fuck is that a surrender

mircea_popescu: this "the work" is also, a surrender. in the terms of the item being burned down.

asciilifeform: drawing, quartering, burning out with hot irons a out defective paradigm is ~the~ work of actual thinker.

asciilifeform: 'hard' is irrelevant. it's a 'yer not smart enuff, go sell used horses'

mircea_popescu: and they were right, except... there's a categorical error.

asciilifeform: it's a surrender. quite analogous to soldier surrendering.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a third dubious point.

asciilifeform: 'allah farted' is not a possibility that merits considering while having the activity still called 'thinking' and the folx engaging therein, 'thinkers'

mircea_popescu: mind that police detective is not liberal profession. this is SPECIFICALLY what it means : that not at liberty to consider all possibilities. that's what makes a technical profession.

mircea_popescu: this is a specious argument retrospectively.

mircea_popescu: no. physics stuck in ditch because smart people have fallen into a sort of sartrean hell, very much equal parts Кто ты по жизни? and "how do i know i exist"

asciilifeform: so i take it mircea_popescu leans to 'physics stuck in a ditch post-ww2 and after that inevitably ceremonial and staffed by priests' ?

mircea_popescu: not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense".

mircea_popescu: where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found

mircea_popescu: where folks suffer insanities a marketing will be found.

mircea_popescu: this is also a dubious point.

mircea_popescu: this is a dubious point.

asciilifeform: nor a pressing need to flatten forests printing drivel.

mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing

asciilifeform: esthlos: does it ever bother you that your primary maths link-reference is a spamola farm ?

esthlos: mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context:

mircea_popescu: "the us economy, named for mccain's father in law, is a piece of marysue fanfic written home by foreigners".

esthlos: mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic

mircea_popescu: "The Chern–Simons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers.

esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it

esthlos: my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh

esthlos: the quantum path integral is a farce, even dirac said we need to start over

phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver

esthlos: quantm field theory is a mess, everyone just wants to be the next einstein, no one cares about understanding what is going on