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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880336 for the like n-th time. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i understand why the "i'd like to talk to as few people as possible" is appealing to the fucktard^H engineer mindset. nevertheless, the only way to win this is to have the decisionmaking atomized as much as possible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand this binomial for asciilifeform -- who are 'the individuals' ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will absolutely not get anywhere for as long as you continue with the braindamaged approach of trying to talk to their self-appointed "gatekeepers". do not talk to weev or w/e, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 braindamage ; talk to the individual individuals,. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:40 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/us-air-force-intelligence-specialist-officers-2013-defection-to-iran-revealed-in-indictment/ << Qntra -- US Air Force "Intelligence Specialist" Officer's 2013 Defection To Iran Revealed In Indictment
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895817 << pretty fucking lulzy. the "platform" / "social media" etc was SUCH A SUCCESS, for the first time in history us brass defecting to fucking iran. ☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly someone in that pigsty aint actually a pig tho, and might 'hmm, actual hosting..'
mircea_popescu: "so now they owe me"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:06 asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895814 << no but see, the thing eminently IS NOT that they have something to say. the thing is, that they misperceive there's a dole going on, that they're excluded from. their idea specifically is very much in the line of http://trilema.com/2011/antreprenorii-sanisedeie/ and so on. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these folx seem to have a psychiatrically-classical 'царь-батюшка' imaginary friendship w/ trump ☟︎
mircea_popescu: either man up or get the fuck lost (to baluba island)
mircea_popescu: write fucking blogs, what "platforming". the sort of cuck that expects "president trump" to make him exist is just an alt-flavour transgender dork.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:05 asciilifeform: 'Tarrio believes that unless President Donald Trump steps in, the de-platforming and dehumanizing of conservatives will continue. “He needs to step in, not only because if he doesn’t he will lose in 2020 with all of his supporters being kicked off social media, but because it’s the right thing to do,” Tarrio finishes.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895813 << eh, what a fucking stupid idea. nobody wants anything with "social media", let the socialist tards & my bots have it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( ~will~ unroll very small loops, but not applicable to subj )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895808 << i deliberately wrote it like that because i expect it can not be optimized away. how would this go ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895803 << well ok but mixing like that's not going to get us anywhere. ☝︎
diana_coman: no hurry, I'll get back to it tomorrow morning anyway
asciilifeform will come back to this puzzler; presently bbl (meat)
diana_coman: it would have at most the path I suppose, if it's hardcoded somewhere
asciilifeform: no, and i'ma look on the build box
diana_coman: well, that doesn't have the scripts too, does it?
asciilifeform: ( in the built gnat )
diana_coman: i.e. where/if the trouble is not somehow just on my machine (though I got it on 2 machines...)
diana_coman: on hold atm since a. for sjlj on smg.test yes, need gnat rebuild b. for the rest it's unclear if it's worth to run or which ones so rather pending mircea_popescu feedback
asciilifeform: ( or are these on hold pending gnat rebuild ? )
asciilifeform: of the remaining runs
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sleep, and i expect the output will come out before you wake up. meanwhile i'ma see if i can figure out wtf re the paths.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's been a bit of a long day too, sorry; strictly speaking you are in fact right there: that line compares them yes,if only to stress that "ofc they are different"
asciilifeform: as i understand that's the 1 thing that's expected to slow
diana_coman: at least there are no more surprises of huge differences in timings; but I'd still test also with some exception handling since that's supposed to slow sjlj down ☟︎
asciilifeform: aa its sleep time in diana_comanistan aint it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: after mircea_popescu nitpicks, perhaps this oughta be used as a template for others
diana_coman: sorry, the ref to previous mess wasn't quite clear, you're right
asciilifeform not picking on diana_coman out of sadism, simply had nfi how to parse that line
diana_coman: there was the earlier mess-up with the 2 datasets hence my current stress of the fact, that's all
asciilifeform: hrm, how do i read 'it seems to be diff on diff machines+diff gnat'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit
diana_coman: coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895807 aka http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true if it converges, it seems to be diff on diff machines+diff gnat; I might note also ftr that the times there on very short runs (i.e. a few loops) are not reliable ; other than that though, so far with this test there doesn't seem to be much penalty on having sjlj ☝︎
asciilifeform: whythefuq do they even include, the gimped 'zcx' variant, then.. ( aside from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895611 isms) ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: on the old gnat -- seems like 0 detectable diff b/w the variants ?!
diana_coman: yes and moreover weirdly enough it DOES have the correct one too, but it comes only after the wrong/old one and so it fails 'cause it can't find that
asciilifeform: ( i thought i checked this prior, but apparently not; no dynamics bins tho )
diana_coman: specifically, here's an example (with the path marked by me for clarity): build/build-bootstrap/gcc-4.9.adacore2016/build1/mpc/src/libmpc.la:dependency_libs=' OLD_PATH/lib/libgmp.la NEW_PATH_CORRECT/lib/libgmp.la'
diana_coman: it seems to me that it's just a path/configure that remains /is carried over from where the gnat was built
diana_coman: I guess until now I always built ave1's gnat on a machine that had adacore's gnat installed with all the paths to libs like that quite standard so possibly that's why it never failed
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform was not able to build a working x64 gnat from the arm64 gnat )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-03 22:27 asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this may even be the culprit behind ( still unresolved afaik ) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820460 ☝︎
diana_coman: since it seems it'll take a while until I can add to my data the numbers for sjlj on ave1's gnat as well, here's what I have so far: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true ☟︎
diana_coman: hence only now I ran into this puzzler
asciilifeform: this, not tested except on orig
diana_coman: the script to rebuild ran?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is quite puzzling, esp. since i've built ave1's gnat on 1 box, and since copied to handful of others, on each into an entirely diff dir
BingoBoingo: More to be done on the website, but ready to move on to writing that email to the dissidents for asciilifeform
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diana_coman: I'm trying to rebuild it because current build doesn't have sjlj
diana_coman: t shows that it is looking for them in the wrong place and more specifically in the place where they were on the previous system where the working gnat was built! so hm, where and why does it store that path and how do I point it correctly?
diana_coman: ave1 or anyone else more experienced in rebuilding ave1's gnat with a previous incarnation of same: I'm trying to build using the scripts in ada-musl-cross-2018-09-24.tgz on a machine that has as only existing and perfectly working !) gnat a previous ave1 gnat version; I ran as the readme says simply ./build-ada.sh absolute_path_to_dir but the whole thing fails because it doesn't find some libs such as libgmp.la; a closer look at the outpu
asciilifeform: ( granted, they also selectively hire for this, even so much as having been off the reservation counts against candidate. but this is imho strictly secondary. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, hard to say from here what seekrits she handed over that they don't want to print. Hence the focus on Facebook tardism.
asciilifeform spend yrs in the unfortunate company of erry known species of usgtard , and came to conclusion that the principal 'limiting reactant' for defections is... they ain't got where to. ~nobody outside the amerigulag needs ~any of'em for anyffin.
asciilifeform: 'the Cyber Conspirators created a Facebook account that purported to belong to a USIC employee and former colleague of Witt, and which utilized legitimate information and photos from the USIC employee’s actual Facebook account. This particular fake account caused several of Witt’s former colleagues to accept “friend” requests' << lol! defectors aint what they usedto be... ☟︎
BingoBoingo: While Snowden was defecting to no where in particular, it turns out other people were defecting to somewhere ☟︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/us-air-force-intelligence-specialist-officers-2013-defection-to-iran-revealed-in-indictment/ << Qntra -- US Air Force "Intelligence Specialist" Officer's 2013 Defection To Iran Revealed In Indictment ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Sure, will get to writing
asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Tarrio believes that unless President Donald Trump steps in, the de-platforming and dehumanizing of conservatives will continue. “He needs to step in, not only because if he doesn’t he will lose in 2020 with all of his supporters being kicked off social media, but because it’s the right thing to do,” Tarrio finishes.' << lol!! ☟︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/chase-bank-inexplicably-severing-relationship-with-fellow-who-happens-to-lead-mens-fraternal-organization/ << Qntra -- Chase Bank Inexplicably Severing Relationship With Fellow Who Happens To Lead Men's Fraternal Organization
diana_coman: bc exploring I went http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895742 and I was getting confused too but anyways ☝︎
asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 ) ☟︎
diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit ☟︎
diana_coman: at that specific shot I was exploring esp given the previous issue of "too long time"
asciilifeform: ( ftr all 'canonical' ffa tests are built with o2 : http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch16_miller_rabin.kv/tree/ffa/libffa/ffa.gpr#L56 )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox clarify what means 'fully optimized for time' here
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found the key misunderstanding there (in addition to comparing different machines and all that): the 1.25value is when serpent is fully optimised for time i.e. it goes from ~8s to 1.25 for full 22 loops 1..10, mod 4; sorry for the confusion there, I was still in exploration mode.
diana_coman goes to write this down properly alreayd
diana_coman: anyways, back to it: for one thing you were comparing there numbers from different machines and I get the impression you got the "4 runs" in the 2nd report to mean different loops while they were not (it was same thing, repeated)
diana_coman: I got stuck here in traffic earlier too, hence my being late, sorry;
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it was a mis-communication really
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/work-verification-spyware-on-its-way-to-mandatory-in-us-slave-empire/ << Qntra -- "Work Verification" Spyware On Its Way To Mandatory In US Slave Empire
mircea_popescu: well now i have to step out ; diana_coman do some more experiments, get some more data, we gotta figure out wtf this is.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in unrelated lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/website-thou-art-lol/#selection-423.92-423.100 (believe it or not, "affirmed" is a term of art in the context, that's how cuntmagic works, by "affirmation".)
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
mircea_popescu: did i ever link the obvious http://trilema.com/2018/post-malone/#selection-79.0-205.38 answer to the obvious if commonplace http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 idiocy ? i think not, and it'd be a waste. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why i like 'run 9000 shots, and discard outliers' (granted this only applies when the item is expected to go in constant time, goes without saying)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that a set of up to 200s converged, and then a 1 1/4 s item diverged.
asciilifeform: ( depending on what you got in there )
asciilifeform: if yer proggy takes >=12h, this is certain to happen, it'll run up against cron
asciilifeform doesn't like benchmarks where 1 shot takes moar than coupla min, for the reason that unix box is a shitfest, liable to decide 'hey nao is the time to munge the fs' etc. and suddenly eat cpu for multiple min, whenever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally and unrelatedly, since i'm fixing this other article : do you happen to recall the trilema piece where "middle age crisis" ie, dood getting rid of older wife hooking up with younger girl is explained in terms of "well, she won't be as fucking annoying" ?
asciilifeform: ( why -- cannot say until diana_coman returns with brief description of the irons )
asciilifeform: i'ma guess box ground to a halt during the 5-loops run, for a spell
mircea_popescu: then they suddenly diverged by order of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: right. point being, she did 1 to 5 loop sets of that, and the values converged.
asciilifeform: that's quite a few, even if you had nuffin in the middle of it
mircea_popescu: so then what the fuck.