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TomServo: And here I was giving giving OSTK credit for /supposedly/ keeping the bitcoin income rather than using bitpay like everyone else.
ave1: yes, I will make a write-up
TomServo: Doh, I missed, apologies.
ave1: Yes, I've looked at that, gprbuild uses an internal function that should be in 2016 but seems to be missing, so I'm rebuilding everything from scratch
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767590, slow and frustrating, I'm currently trying to get gprbuild up and running, so far no success ☝︎
asciilifeform: greek advantage, as far as i can tell, is 'die reasonably young, leave good-looking corpse'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 14:24 mircea_popescu: "James’s encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768306 << it was a kind of tor, i.e. usg-engineered transparent 'tool for opposition' . d00d presumably was showing symptoms of blowing the idiocy up, got nailgunned. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768272 << i suspect that sanskrit is what the end of the 'greek whisks of meaning' road looks like, however. ☝︎
shinohai: I jest, just pm me when you are ready, I'll be around somewhere this morning.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought theirs was refined not mined.
mircea_popescu: well i dunno i can just add everything to opportunity cost, the fact that the sun's not a cube may overshadow all these considerations.
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell, SecureDrop was some sorta pantsuit thing Gawker and a couple other derpedias advertised accepting
mircea_popescu: "James’s encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Yet SecureDrop would not currently exist without James, and he deserves all the commendation in the world for making it what it is today." << i'll need a primer on this, what "is it today" ?
mircea_popescu: there was a time (not so long ago!) when EVERY mark was known by ~everyone ; and not knowing one was perceived as a subjective lack not as an objective deffect ; and the whole shebang paid well. today i couldn't even order more of "his stuff" if i wanted to, putting in question the very possibility of "his" in "his stuff" and moreover the justification of labour or economic activity generally.
mircea_popescu: (i imagine that's not what she tells herself it is, but look at that institutional shit. it'd better be.)
mircea_popescu: (fwiw i always suspected that's the deep core of the pantsuit fascination with "eastern philosophy" : "o look, a cultural space fundamentally as self-alienated as we ourselves feel inside! THIS IS THE RIGHT BRAND OF EMO FOR MY NEEDS!".)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 01:11 phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god
mod6: i like the bot idea
asciilifeform: ah if in that sense then - what i said earlier. performanceart.
mircea_popescu: i dun mandate a scheme.
mircea_popescu: let all porn i put in the chan be preserved forever as a matter of "national security" by all teh national-whatevers, why not.
mircea_popescu: 1. i say !S http://pastebin ; 2. bot searches for an image ; 3. bot embeds the pastebin in image ; 4. bot publishes the new image to its tumblr acct. ;5. bot links image here.
mircea_popescu: i sitll don't know what the objection here is.
asciilifeform: i couldve sworn we had the thread
mircea_popescu: taking bets / proposals / suggestions of wtf it is till i publish.
phf: this is the first time i actually got to witness the entirety of the ritual (accidentally the cafe was in front of patch of grass, and i guess it was sufficiently cold that old ladies didn't want to go all the way to the park)
mircea_popescu: in other zekworld, anyone saw the incrrreedibly neet-stupid film i saw today ?
mircea_popescu: isn't that the weirdest shit ? good thing democracy gave 'em civil rights an' shit, i'd take scooping dogshit over subsistence hunting any day!!1
phf: on the lulzy side i can't get over american thing of keeping dogs and picking up their shit. i spent new years in upper east side, and was sitting at a small cafe one morning, watching these posh old ladies in expensive furs one after another scooping up little turds after their tiny beasts
mircea_popescu: i dunno that's oriental.
mircea_popescu: i think it's where dogs go to hell.
mod6: ugh, yeah. i'd just put it down/shoot it if it was suffering.
mircea_popescu: well... get married i guess ?!
mircea_popescu knew hunt dog grower who wouldn't even sell to noobs. "how am i supposed to get a dog ?" "first get some experience" "doing what" "hunting" "how am i going to do that without a dog ?"
shinohai: I did lemon-butter them, asparagus, no artichokes :/
mod6: na. i saw it get up, had it in my sight picture, could have pounded it. was only like 10 yds from me. but when i saw the tail feathers fan out, i let off.
mod6: i went hunting on sunday and the dog flushed up what I thought was a hen. was a hawk, eating a hen!
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah i hope he lemon-buttered those with artichokes.
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 would be proud of me, I managed a pair of quail the other weekend when it snowed. << niiiiice!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if mod6 came by all nonchalant like and was "hey, i shot a 350 lb shrimp today" what i;d expect the steak to taste like would be ~alligator. << yeah, probably would!
mircea_popescu: suppose you have a set of symbols S1..Sn each with meanings Mij, i in n j in k. suppose you have a grammar G which has one function : if adding element Sx to a string made of q S, it permits you to discern which Sij are thereby invalidated.
mircea_popescu: if i say jew right now it's not even possible to figure out what i mean.
mircea_popescu: phf in principle and up to a certain degree this can be pulled off. but the management of that degree tree is i'd say the principal job of cultural management. because holy shit the failure modes.
mircea_popescu: NOT EVEN UNICODE HAS IT. i looked.
phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf not you, but future me. i will be senile one day, in 2075, and i might need to read this.
mircea_popescu: right, basically his internal, sadly unvoiced position was "oh, unicode is what you kids wanna call native lisp character model ? mmkay, i r agree"
phf: right, platonic unicode, i think it was more aligned even with common lisp's notion of character object or somesuch, than what the spec actually become. i think he might've ranted somewhere about ms fucking it up and such
ben_vulpes: phf: sadly all i have is a porch roof, bb gun, and alley full of squirrels and the occasional methwitch
ben_vulpes: oh i'm well aware!
esthlos: I was wondering what happens if you replace "software development" with "physics", and see it that way.
ben_vulpes: also the notion that technical issues aren't business issues simply points to the coolie-nature of the typical cpp slave likely to read such pap. certainly not the case where i'm concerned; the quality of code and systems delivered and maintained are of the *utmost* concern to the biz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect this was at the time the true problem : jwz wanted to unicode the japanese way and rms didn't even understand what's being discussed (which -- major fucking failure for the role, incidentally).
asciilifeform: phf: i'd actually rather see a resurrected zwei, than ancient cmachine cruft emacs, really
mircea_popescu: so the point of comparison would be i guess either 48 or 55
phf: yeah, 59 is the earliest one i have
mircea_popescu: i can accept that terminology ; above statement becomes "of fucking course lucid didn't want an inanimate object seated in the chair"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i can't think of any project that actually thrived under his management. systemd tard pm'd circles around a decade's worth of collected rms effort in half a year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1990s rms, either. man was possibly the worst middle management i ever saw.
mircea_popescu: "i would like money from the internetz on my own terms kthx"
mircea_popescu: tbh and fwiw, if i ran the xemacs i would not permit rms anywhere near any sort of merged variant either.
phf: i wonder of customize- facilitiy was already there by 18
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect the political divide is 100% xemacs will only accept merger INTO xemacs, which is to say, to get rid of rms, because he's useless / other camp can't get over "rms is useless".
phf: i can buy that interpretation
phf: so emacs had some architecture, lucid took that architecture and tried making it more of a lisp machine (i.e. better foundation for writing elisp applications), then they tried pulling google.vs.linus and failed
mircea_popescu: in the EXACT http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767895 sense of, "well i dunno what to do with this data and so here's me warping a vector into a string" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ah. i dunno, i guess not cancerous in the "but i got id saying im female" sense ; but very much had the clap.
phf: actually i'm not sure i can, it's been a while since i've seen xemacs internals (i.e. >10 years). the point i was trying to make is that emacs ascii is talking about is a wholy different beats from the 1990s items, which were at the very least not cancerous
asciilifeform: phf: i'm curious re the politics of the continuing schism. what do the xemacsits and the orig-emacsists actually disagree on in modern day ?
asciilifeform: phf: in all fairness, i barfed trying to read sbcl also
phf: "hey man i just drive this tank, i don't know what makes it work" ok then.
asciilifeform: i dun see what good any of these do outside of an actual lispm
asciilifeform: it also helps that i dun actually ~like~ emacs. i use it 'через нехочу'
mircea_popescu: this i judge as the right move, otherwise might've hanged self in despair years prior to republic.
phf: but i then used it for a years, and learned elisp with it, and they were clearly making changes to elisp to make it not suck
phf: i don't know if you've spent any significant amount of time with it, but i literally got tricked into installing xemacs first (cause x means it's gui yes?? 97 me)
asciilifeform: phf: i dunget it, wtf was so lispm about xemacs
trinque: I'd say Trump and Breitbart owners wanted Bannon out after losing Alabama.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, yes, that's what i'm, saying, kinda interesting to see if this may actually work as that.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I regge'd and messaged him, though his profile shows: Last Activity Mar 4 2017, 10:53 AM
mircea_popescu: oh i see now i misspoke. i didn't mean prng, i meant prpng
asciilifeform: i'm not satisfied that it's good for anyffin
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
mircea_popescu: cuz i don't insta-v my otps. cuz why would i.
trinque: I disbelieve, but w/e
trinque: knubie: I see it giving instant responses, what delayed
shinohai: http://archive.is/SUV5O <<< I know it is Kruds on Security, but nonetheless lulzy "Snyder discovered that Overstock’s site just as happily accepted bitcoin cash as payment,....." to any old regular Bitcoin address
asciilifeform: hey i dun kill them butterflies, they die by themselves
asciilifeform: i collect these.
phf: well, now that the fever dropped from halucinatory 39 to a pleasant 37.5, i get to experience an mp lifestyle: i just lay in bed and all my whims are catered to :)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767676 << i've been out of commisssion since friday, and will be for another couple of days. got brought down hard with a flu, that hasn't happened to me in a while ☝︎
knoobie: mircea_popescu: that was the first time i have chosen to register with a bot.. :/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767028 << m-r also works deterministically if one's inclined. nitpick i guess. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: shinohai wouldja make it tr instead of "translate" ? i have ancestral memories from vragnaroda's bot
mircea_popescu: and i ~tried~ to get the top billed zinger ;/ but...
mircea_popescu: well, i hope at least they were bonobo or silverback or whichever alt-african-american the pantsuit wanks over.
mircea_popescu: is this more from the "i did not vote for this" NEET channel ?
knoobie: must have had typo, when i specified it..