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asciilifeform: trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms
trinque: "holy shit, stallman was trying to cram a version of this environment into unix"
trinque: asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.' ☝︎☟︎
trinque: asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans
asciilifeform: in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system
asciilifeform: just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
asciilifeform: and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust ☝︎
asciilifeform: (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)
asciilifeform: the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella
asciilifeform: trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions
trinque: somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years
danielpbarron: no he had more of the meth addict look going for him
trinque: danielpbarron: was it this guy?
danielpbarron: mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me
trinque: rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS
trinque: mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https
trinque: sure, from the mitm perspective
mats: things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks
mats: we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful
danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that ☟︎
danielpbarron: one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt
mats: well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents
danielpbarron: i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast
danielpbarron: that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either
mats: and i get that
mats: invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists
danielpbarron: even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it
danielpbarron: people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing
danielpbarron: if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place
mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly ☟︎
mats: first impression goes well, second time around its like...
mats: i have had a tricky time broaching the subject
danielpbarron: many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross
mats: how would these people know what that is
danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough ☟︎
danielpbarron: and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night
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danielpbarron: you will be the coolest person there
mats: i try not to stand out too much
danielpbarron: you totally should
danielpbarron: and took the host for over 1k
danielpbarron: one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian
decimation: note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed
decimation: yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations
danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery ☟︎
trinque: might've been something like what the USA was back when
trinque: so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you
danielpbarron: last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others)
trinque: I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.
danielpbarron: and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker)
danielpbarron: as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year
shinohai: I tend to avoid religious materials.
shinohai: I thought I noticed something about it on your site.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs ☝︎
danielpbarron: it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment
trinque: least you actually read the book
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate
danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures ☟︎
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already
decimation: emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?
trinque: framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is
danielpbarron: it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship
danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama ☟︎
danielpbarron: yep, that.
trinque: in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"
trinque: I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on
danielpbarron: with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems
decimation: lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power
danielpbarron: they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is
danielpbarron: euphemism* \\ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign
decimation: well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists
danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry ☟︎☟︎
trinque: and the ron paul people
trinque: ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community
trinque: committed to move
trinque: 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site
danielpbarron: yeah but it doesn't amount to much
decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire ☟︎
decimation: danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?" ☝︎
decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but the former does not. it IS very visible.
decimation: my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'
decimation: to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself
decimation: no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?