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punkman: I
think we need
to put a lot more comments on
the code, kinda clunky
to do
through patches
to ML
though
ascii_modem: there are different schools of
thought re how
to furnish a room
mircea_popescu: and you don't even know about
the used condoms behind
the bed headboard
ascii_modem: right now we got an anthill in
the living room
ascii_modem: this incident makes it very
tempting
to just unzip, piss on satoshid, and go ada sanityfork (tm)
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, and
the fact we're looking into it one of
the few
things giving me solace and better rest at night
ascii_modem: how many other ways for fuckers
to wedge us
mircea_popescu: so what, is "95% consensus" going
to gavincoin next ? for ... all of six blocks again ? cool.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am very much amused at
the way discussion with kakobrekla
turned out. 600 hours "oh miners will just so and so " "nobody cares what miners do" ; 1800 "oh miners just so and so'd!!1" "and it
turns out nobody cared".
trinque: cool, just wanted
to post
the link
trinque: added
the --coverage flag
to all
the deps
ascii_modem: from your earlier pastes, mirceacoind has slightly spiffier debug...?
than ri
mircea_popescu: im also going
to have it unstuck, but i got a shitpile of stuff cooking atm.
mircea_popescu: but for now it can stay as it is, because i
think more people were syncing
to it.
mircea_popescu: i do intend
to replace it with a foundation one as soon as practicable.
mircea_popescu: the original point of
this
thing i run here was
to give all comers
the historical chain as is in my custody.
mircea_popescu: now, since you're synced
to my level, and you have a full validating node, i see no reason
to not open
the listen port. do you ?
ascii_modem: gonna plug in
the one on dulap when i get home
mircea_popescu: which it's how it's made
to work, better fail
than be stupid.
mircea_popescu: specifically, what happens if you put
the new chain into a node
mircea_popescu: the only problem is
that
the clients ain't reorging properly, which needs looking into/
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem where were
the daily forks b/w january (?) and now ? << costs a little
to make one, nobody cared enough. (also lots of manual intervention and general ducttaping at
the miner and relayer level - bitcoin is quickly becoming an excellent makework
tool, keeping idiots both employed and in a delusion of importance)
mircea_popescu: none of
this in any way invalidates anything about
the new chain, nor is it a point of concern
that i can distinguish
mircea_popescu: this utterly proves
that a)
the BIP system provides no benefit and should be disused ; b)
the peoiple involved with all
this nonsense should be muted ; c) voting does not work. nothing here is novel.
mircea_popescu: 4.
the people who voted did so as all people voting ever do : blankly, mouth only.
then, someone mined a v2 block on
top of a v3 block (which
to
them look identical) and
the supposed 95% majority
that promised by
that vote
to distinguish failed
to distinguish. well, half of
them or so.
the other half distinguished
mircea_popescu: and we'll never see an odd hash block for as long as
they keep at it.
ascii_modem: where were
the daily forks b/w january (?) and now ?
mircea_popescu: this, again, has nothing
to do with us. if
tomorrow miners decide as a social game
to never communicate any blocks
they find
that hash
to odd, it's
THEIR problem
mircea_popescu: 3. in order
to avoid
the situation
that happened
tonight, a supposed "voting" mechanism was deployed where people switched an irrelevant byte in
the blocks
they mined,
to go from 2
to 3,
to indicate
they are ready and willing
to follow
the new rules.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it'd have been ideal
to not import
the satoshism in question into bitcoin, but before our
time.
mircea_popescu: 2. a voluntary, user-enforced change
to
the protocol was proposed (iirc by petertodd) where only DER sigs are accepted anymore.
mircea_popescu: so 1. it was observed
that
the idiots running openssl, who for historical reasons are actually wholesale pulled into bitcoin, decided
to fuck up
the way
they do signatures, which is
to say, make items signed come out in rnadom shapes.
this is obviously very dangerous for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lemme lay out
the issue here in detail, i
think it's mebbe getting fudged.
mircea_popescu: this, obviously, would also be where
to bury who knows what. but if it's
there, nobody's found it yet
that i know
mircea_popescu: the difference between v3 and v2 is , as best anyone can determine, actual fucking validation for
the openssl nonsense. hardly avoidable.
mircea_popescu: atm
the situation is
that block 363730 is forked. one chain, 6 blocks long, proceeds atop a v2 block.
the current main chain proceeds from 363730 on v3 blocks.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what happens if you import
the 7 block alt-chain into
the stator ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem
this is incidentally an exceptional opportunity
to
test our recent
toolset.
mircea_popescu: neway, of more interesting
things : confirmed my seeder's stuck on 363736.
mircea_popescu: just because you have one, and it's a very reflective surface, doesn't mean it has one
too.
mircea_popescu: i suspect
this obviousness is a fruit of your eye, not of
the
thing you're lookling on. like people perceive souls in cats' eyes.
ascii_modem: not brownian - has very obvious aims (keeping
turdalicious-bitcoind in circulation being one)
mircea_popescu: "the enemy" is barely cogent enough
to be enmitous at all.
ascii_modem: the enemy accomplished his objective, which probably had something
to do with discrediting chinese mines
mircea_popescu: the dead don't know
they're dead ;
the ridiculous don't know
they're ridiculous.
the world is well constructed for one's amusement.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, phantomcircuit is still
the guy who ran "a security companmy"
that oversaw 3 bitcoinica
thefts, and still
the guy who hacked a python one liner
to send every customer an email with
the full list of customer emails
mircea_popescu: there are some people
that go around introducing
themseves as "bitcoin devs" who just spectacularly failed
the least controversial soft fork
to date.
mircea_popescu: apparently in
the world we live in,
the best way
to ensure nobody reads something is
to publish it as code anyway
mircea_popescu: "wangchunLuke-Jr: I do not know how
that v2 pool was relayed, log was lost in a screen session"
mircea_popescu: also lulzy for all
the people using blockchain.info
to validate
txn.
pete_dushenski: mats: aha
thanks. just goes
to show
that
there are shades of grey in
the braindead morass of veecee moolah, not all are created equal.
mod6: haha. yeah,
that
too.
mircea_popescu: alternatively
they could just shut down and stfu already.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> here's what's
the idea : after botching
the soft fork, it seems illogical
that
the entire bip system should continue at all. << Very much agreed. If someone wants
to change something
they should write
to
The Foundation's btc-dev mailing list and submit a patch. And if
they can't because
they're not in
the WoT, well
they're not in
the WoT.
They can make a personal appeal here in person.
pete_dushenski: ;;later
tell
travispatron you sucked before, you suck now, and you will always suck. enjoy
the periphery, derp.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for
the unsubstantiated delusionsm of a few random geeks, working
to make
the world believe
they're knowledgeable and important, bitcoin hiccups every so often.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's
the broken window/car accident economy
mircea_popescu: right. splendid. how about go home and
the problem goes away with you.
shinohai: ;;later
tell mod6 new build successful and now in sync ...
mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY how usg works
throughout. first, cause black people
to be poor and depenedent.
then cause
them
to be violent.
then go on press conferences about how "they're doing
things about black violence"
mircea_popescu: then
they go on reddit
to "explain" why what
they fucked up isn't
their fault, and "what really happened" , and collect cheap applause from
the celenterates
therein living.
mircea_popescu: an abundance of instances can be documented where
they fucked
things up
mircea_popescu: there can not be a single instance documented where
they did anything useful
to any degree or in any sense
mircea_popescu: here's what's
the idea : after botching
the soft fork, it seems illogical
that
the entire bip system should continue at all.
☟︎ jurov: yes..
that's why i say numbers are messed up
pete_dushenski: jurov: perhaps ima confoozed, but don't orphaned blocks have
to be replaced with valid blocks in
the main chain ?
jurov: no it reports
them as orphaned
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok, but assuming
those 6 invalid orphan blocks are off on
their own, how is it
that some sites (eg. bc.i) are reporting
that
this foundation of sand is still being built on ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski 6 blocks wouldn't necessarily be visible. even
three deep reorgs happen with some regularity naturally.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:15:35; ben_vulpes: simple rehash of
the "let's probe network cohesion strength" fork
pete_dushenski: what i can't figure out is why
the hashrate didn't seem
to split with
the ph0rk...
danielpbarron: jurov, by
the
time i can get my iphone out of pocket, unlocked, open
the recording app, start recording....
the lunatic has already spouted off
the gems worth recording
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you
think
there was a big
transaction
that got double-spent ? or...
mircea_popescu: incidentally, am i
the only one finding it a wee bit suspicious
that
the orphan chain ended up 6 blocks long, ie, exactly
the size normally deemed "safe" ?
trinque: danielpbarron: s-stop
the surveillance!