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lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932170 << I mean cuntoo exactly. testbed is the exact iron in this post
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:09:24 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you'd need to bake pg glue for ada, there aint any
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:02:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: so then what, I'm still better off writing the bot in C or what?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:59:22 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i vaguely suspect that this is the thing that discouraged past folx who made loggers, from genesising. 'dafuq is the point, likely no one can even replicate this'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:52:37 diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar to your env/packages/versions though
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:27:23 diana_coman: to cite from flask's description, for full allergy-triggers: A micro-framework for Python based on Werkzeug, Jinja 2 and good intentions
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:09:05 diana_coman: centos 6; because gentoo problem as you just described + the poor moldavian guys anyway pretty much @kukuruz
spyked: diana_coman, yeah, well I suppose that's another reason why the manifest mechanism is useful: if I signed a patch P at t1, and later I found out that it does something stupid or subtly malicious or whatever; then at t2 I can sign the "inverse" to P and give context to that signature in the manifest (whoever tries to press that has to know why particularly I made some change)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:25:11 diana_coman: but it's a more difficult thing to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:21:10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: rly it oughta be in tmsr-adalisp (tm)(r) but this apparently dun exist yet.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931955 <-- recall, /me already wrote a toy prototype as his introduction to ada. other than the fact that it looks noobish and requires work to integrate with the c-isms, writing logger on top of it would also require something along the lines of a. mod_adalisp and b. handling other wwwistic s
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:47:14 mircea_popescu: this understanding is current as of cca 2016. meanwhile we agreed that because a) it is preferrable to work with republican rather than imperial items and to prevent more imperial seepage than needed ; and because b) there's no limit to signature count as per long standing observations and discussions (with a very early asciilifeform cca 2013 maybe) then therefore the correct approach is to sign things early, t
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931973 <-- most likely same level. ftr, I'ma attempt to apply mircea_popescu's pill of stealing everything related, up to and including sbcl, which hopefully should make it easier to reproduce items written on top of it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:52:37 diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar to your env/packages/versions though
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-08 13:09:01 a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 04:51:18 mircea_popescu: it's this device that transforms inca (circular motion) into republic (linear motion) by the principle of only permitting rotary motion in one direction, thereby using the inca mass against itself.
asciilifeform: goodnight diana_coman
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you'd need to bake pg glue for ada, there aint any
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma jump with a parachute made of garbage bags before writing www-facing proggy in c, but maybe that's just me..
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i vaguely suspect that this is the thing that discouraged past folx who made loggers, from genesising. 'dafuq is the point, likely no one can even replicate this'
diana_coman: there is pip and some easy_install
asciilifeform: diana_coman i'm curious how you went about installing the libs on yours
asciilifeform: print werkzeug.__version__ >> 0.9.4
asciilifeform: diana_coman: on testbed , print flask.__version__ >> 0.10.1 ; python --version >> 2.7.5 ;
asciilifeform: diana_coman: naturally and postgres. i was speaking of the py glues.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i never posted that variant, imho it is useless moving part
asciilifeform: diana_coman: bot is own program and doesn't have any deps (aside from py per se and psycopg)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i at one pt blamed that coupling for the slow, and measured (plain rev.proxy vs 'wsgi' (equiv of php's fastcgi) , found 0 diff
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if it runs, will run, all that's asked of it is to forward a tcp pipe to port x (whichever yer py is on)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you'll want a front end thing for it to live under (prolly apache) also .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my test bed fwiw used pg 9.4.5 .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in re pythonisms -- for that matter i'm to ~this day~ ! using my orig v.py (w / phf's 'vdiff' , and your fixup patch.) also because never found in what to rewrite it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:58:26 mp_en_viaje: Flask is a lightweight WSGI web application framework. It is designed to make getting started quick and easy, with the ability to scale up to complex applications. It began as a simple wrapper around Werkzeug and Jinja and has become one of the most popular Python web application frameworks." << really makes me want to be sober, reading that thing.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'flask' , 'psycopg', etc. are erry bit as rubbish as the docs suggest. with the twist that the assemblage actually worx ( phuctor's been running, incl. under various abuses , for yrs , on same ) .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: for 2.6 need whole set of vintage liquishits that went with that specific py
asciilifeform: diana_coman: rly it oughta be in tmsr-adalisp (tm)(r) but this apparently dun exist yet.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if i had a palatable answer -- would have written in ~that~, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you (or anyone) rewrite the logger -- i'ma clap
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you decide to fiddle with the proggy so it goes on 2.6, prolly can be done ; but keep in mind that i will not be able to run yours anywhere, there's no 2.6 on any known gentoo of past decade or so.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-12 14:40:14 Framedragger: asciilifeform: OT and just grammar nitpicking, but in http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/sage_pill.py line 22, s/Could connect/Could not connect/
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'flask' is the http shitting lib. i've used same 1 since 2013 (phuctor)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: where didja get a box with 2.6 even
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 2.6 has diff print() syntax from 2.7
lobbes: asciilifeform: my testbed box is a trinqueian cuntoo (see: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/02/a-bridge-to-cuntoo-for-the-lenovo-x61-x86_64/)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the extension pg_trgm thingies does exist; it's the loading that is different
asciilifeform: diana_coman: oughta work with 9 and 10, not tried others
asciilifeform: both lobbes and diana_coman , lemme know when yer ready to sync, i'ma manually refresh the db dump
asciilifeform: diana_coman: also imho it'd be neat if you wrote about how built the mirror, nitpicks, etc. for n00bz. ( i did not have time to write a pedantic cookbook, and as you can see even the readme had mistakes )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 16:29:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: in your logbot readme: shouldn't it be create database nsalog; instead of createdb? at least my postgres chokes on createdb under psql
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931889 << diana_coman this is so, i found recently when making mirror . feel free to submit a patch to amend the readme, otherwise it'll go in my next one.
lobbes is determined to beat diana_coman to getting the 2nd logger online
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:07:52 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931717 << that's exactly how that goes : as the harem ages, the focus naturally moves from business to education,
lobbes: diana_coman: I had same observation: see >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929471
BingoBoingo: In local news, don't skimp on the quicklime https://www.sudestada.com.uy/articleId__1a7440e0-0947-439f-9437-327a3cb95b6e/10893/Detalle-de-Noticia
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:18:37 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931745 << absolutely. i always suspected the "ease them in" approach as practiced ~everywhere is just fucking stupid.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:19:07 mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 17:24:16 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.5 12tGxcb82jAgCCpCga4yoGtAvZkgst3jrk
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:18:24 mircea_popescu: let this sit for a little we think more of it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:35:52 asciilifeform: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and see what he thinks before changing proggy. and whoknows, maybe we both missed sumthing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:01:43 mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931717 << that's exactly how that goes : as the harem ages, the focus naturally moves from business to education,
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 17:36:55 mircea_popescu: earlier stopped at gelateria. nicely furnished. had no table service and only paper cups. ONE SIZE. no plates, no nothing.
asciilifeform: trinque: re clocks, at one time mircea_popescu suggested to use trb block as clock. but imho is of very limited use as clock, cuz not guaranteed to advance in any given interval.
asciilifeform: i suggested in orig thrd, to throw out the date from url. lessee what mircea_popescu thinks.
asciilifeform: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and see what he thinks before changing proggy. and whoknows, maybe we both missed sumthing.
asciilifeform: ( my notion above, /chan/optionaldate/index#x , is cribbed from mircea_popescu's selection colourer )
trinque: this is the batshit and denuding coad diana_coman wanted !
asciilifeform: trinque: see linked mircea_popescu thread. it appears to be the case that anchors in fact are not transmitted to the remote end, at all.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 13:27:15 mircea_popescu: add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here
asciilifeform is thinking, prolly he is the last 1 who oughta give folx advice re languages. his methods , likely , are applicable to ~nobody. prolly even mircea_popescu's method ( house pets ) is moar widely usable .
lobbes: this may go to mircea_popescu's old point of "with language, like sex, there is no drawbacks to starting with master class"
asciilifeform: ( not counting mircea_popescu's 'inpatients' , that is )
lobbes: It shouldn't be a surprise that I weigh mircea_popescu's advice in such matters with a tad more weight, so when it lines up with my observations in the field it usually is a sign I'm on the right track
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931658 << ty! I got some old-fashioned selects to update as well, tho not nearly as many as asciilifeform and mircea_popescu. Prolly the only good aspect right now of having a nascent blog atm
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i still use mine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's old europistan this time of yr ?
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I don't really have a style to cramp atm; I'll eat any and all knowledge right now
lobbes: well, that was simple! Mah blog nao has proper server-side selection. Ty mircea_popescu and co. for that fix. (and ty BingoBoingo for unrelated fix)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 17:49:51 mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, your blog takes an ungodly amt of time to take a comment. must be some kinda bug somewheres.
lobbes: In other news, I just applied the suggested html comments bug fix from diana_coman to blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-76
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 22:40:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
asciilifeform: unlike expert entomologists like mircea_popescu , trinque , et al, i dun have much contact with the 'illiterate 20yos' set, but enuff to know that they somehow think 'rich' is what their employed older brothers , parents, are, they have no concept of the real thing even in head
asciilifeform: or see also mircea_popescu's 'buffett's tax' piece .
asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
asciilifeform: they live in entirely parallel universe, the 1 described in mircea_popescu's 'the tide dollar' piece.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had even moar picturesque story, where not only not insulted but had excellent rapport w/ entire bus fulla these , and they all asked for him to become their che guevara
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 18:53:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: to add a few brush strokes to the picture of usa -- and perhaps already you knew -- 1) most folx get ~0 'vacation'. they nominally get '2 wks' but is reserved in practice for illness ; 2) are paid just enuff to stay alive (and locate themselves within vicinity of the mines) , 2-3 missed weeks of pay means destitution .
asciilifeform previously to mircea_popescu's party in timis, asciilifeform spent 20y not even having occasion to go in airplane anywhere.
asciilifeform: after 1st trip ( mircea_popescu's ro ) , asciilifeform bought that subscription for 'get back in usa w/out line', was worth erry penny
asciilifeform: other potential headache is that they'll happily offer to carry e.g. +100kg aaand it'll end up 'cargo' and get ben_vulpes'd.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 15:16:40 mircea_popescu: possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires"
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's quarter tonne -- per last yr's specs , they were formally willing to move up to 150kg -- from anywhere other than usa.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 15:15:47 mircea_popescu: ~60% of what fedex'd have been
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did it cost ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ben ended up with customs pawing ~all~ of his boxes on acct of the excess.