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punkman: cazalla: might as well get some grapes
mircea_popescu: almost as if someone was holding off hitting the muppets over the head with a 2x4 until b-a crowd had its ducks lined
mircea_popescu: just some nodes have trouble unsticking, which as i said above, great place to test our new block manip tools etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't envisage as much as an inkling of a solution. just more stuff to worry about.
mircea_popescu: if as much as 66% comes that way and the other 33% has to be found out about... o baby.
mircea_popescu: it pays more as a pool operator to be into skulldugery than into running your pool
ascii_modem: trinque: neato - will read as soon as i'm not on street
mircea_popescu: but for now it can stay as it is, because i think more people were syncing to it.
mircea_popescu: i do intend to replace it with a foundation one as soon as practicable.
mircea_popescu: the original point of this thing i run here was to give all comers the historical chain as is in my custody.
mircea_popescu: 4. the people who voted did so as all people voting ever do : blankly, mouth only. then, someone mined a v2 block on top of a v3 block (which to them look identical) and the supposed 95% majority that promised by that vote to distinguish failed to distinguish. well, half of them or so. the other half distinguished
mircea_popescu: and we'll never see an odd hash block for as long as they keep at it.
mircea_popescu: this, again, has nothing to do with us. if tomorrow miners decide as a social game to never communicate any blocks they find that hash to odd, it's THEIR problem
mircea_popescu: the difference between v3 and v2 is , as best anyone can determine, actual fucking validation for the openssl nonsense. hardly avoidable.
mircea_popescu: yet he's still walking around as if he were somehow still a person.
mircea_popescu: there are some people that go around introducing themseves as "bitcoin devs" who just spectacularly failed the least controversial soft fork to date.
mircea_popescu: apparently in the world we live in, the best way to ensure nobody reads something is to publish it as code anyway
jurov: no it reports them as orphaned
trinque: williamdunne: I tend to take stock market prices as inflation indicators these days
mod6: <+asciilifeform> has anybody as of this moment received a block past 363734 from mircea_popescu's node ? << im a day a way or so yet
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct... ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: has anybody as of this moment received a block past 363734 from mircea_popescu's node ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i built stator on dulap just now. unchanged from public recipe other than the 'realpath' thing (mentioned earlier.) same process ought to work on your other centos boxes. it will run as a public node as soon as i shove a blockchain in there.
punkman: as it is 0.5.3.1/0.5.4 versions will accept blocks of version 1 and 2, allowing shitgnomes to induce forks. what's gonna happen with this? ☟︎
asciilifeform: as temporary workaround, replace the realpath thing (whole right side of equal sign) with the absolute path of 'ourlibs'
cazalla: now and then i've thought of the few teacher's aids that would come for a school term as part of their studies.. they were so young and pretty but would be old bags now
punkman: "Two other male students, both also 17 years old, came forward as victims after Fichter was arrested." << lol assholes
mircea_popescu: your experiences and inner life are not nearly as universal as you imagine before you examine it.
midnightmagic: Because they haven't stopped yet. Hearn's submitting pullreqs he's going to use as propaganda to push people to -XT, and Gavin's going through the bip/pullreq motions when he knows he's going to be voted down. Again.
mircea_popescu: in this sense the halo's about as stretched as gavin's mother.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:24:27; midnightmagic: Unless you are implying people outside the bitcoin world are voracious readers of the -ass logs, as far as I can tell in all the articles, reddit posts, twitter feeds, etc, I don't see more than a passing mention. But even if that weren't so, really I'm a little disappointed the wind all went out of your sails, as it were.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186881 lmao "hey guise, everyone is now playing to your tune, what do you mean everyone's playing to your tune ?!?!?! so sad to see wind out of your sails as everyone's playing to your tune!!!" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: an exquisitely african thing this, as late as 2000 one could notice that all the egyptians seem willing to do is stand in front of the pyramids with their chests pushed out, or else gesturing importantly. meanwhile... the people who built those things don't look anything like the arab mongrels currently populating the place, if extant statues are to be believed.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 05:54:09; midnightmagic: that is the inverse of what will happen as more-efficient mining equipment arrives.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:51:34; asciilifeform: (for as long as it carries under 'technical', the weasels can whine, wheedle, emit 'reasonable reasonings', even persuade the persuadable)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186697 << i dun think it does anything useful ; on the other hand it doesn't do anything whatsoever that wasn't either already done, or as good as already done. but whatever, let the flies buzzing in front of the truck get their fly trophies for opening the road to trucks. ☝︎
decimation: with respect to bip 66 in particular, it's not a terrible idea, but it strikes me as backwards
decimation: all I can say, for myself, is that folks write stuff on this channel, I would read; comment - as would others
ben_vulpes: for a grand coup of shit-as-what-don't-matter?
ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: reddit? twitter? d'you want to roll medium and perhaps bitcointalk.org into that as well?
midnightmagic: Unless you are implying people outside the bitcoin world are voracious readers of the -ass logs, as far as I can tell in all the articles, reddit posts, twitter feeds, etc, I don't see more than a passing mention. But even if that weren't so, really I'm a little disappointed the wind all went out of your sails, as it were. ☟︎
midnightmagic: For a while you were writing reddit posts and qntra articles and all sorts of stuff. Half the time you got Gavin himself "derping" as you put it, in your comments.
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: On that at least, we agree. I agree with that: the current hashrate is as illegitimate as a vote of private keys would be in determining a softfork. What else is there?
midnightmagic: that is the inverse of what will happen as more-efficient mining equipment arrives. ☟︎
decimation: also, it's probably not going to be true in a year or two as 14 nm asics fan out and become barely economic
decimation: as more than 950 blocks have passed since the first instance of the IsSuperMajority machine being used
asciilifeform: (for as long as it carries under 'technical', the weasels can whine, wheedle, emit 'reasonable reasonings', even persuade the persuadable) ☟︎
decimation: although as I've noted, they already incremented this machine
ben_vulpes: well this signature issue is tricky as shit already - openssl is already blowing up validating the chain with anything other than...
ben_vulpes: this is almost as bad as defining a word with the word to be defined
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how the power rangers imagine they'll manage a hardfork when they can't as much as get a "relevant support" softwork that's fairly uncontroversial.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Core (after 0.10.0) rejects these invalid blocks, but a lot of other stuff doesn't. SPV Bitcoinj wallets do no validation what-so-ever, blindly following the longest chain. blockchain.info doesn't appear to do validation as well; who knows what else? <<
mod6: as always :]
mod6: ah, i can give it a go with something as old as like 4.5.4 for sure.
decimation: as in, all possible routes into and out of functions?
decimation: I guess as long as they find a block that matches difficulty it will be valid
asciilifeform: this may well be one of those things that can be made 'as simple as possible but not simpler'
asciilifeform: so long as it is used as a 'graphical diff', oughta be harmless
asciilifeform: (there was a proggy posted some years ago to use one as a camera!)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186165 << my idea is to bring up node on dulap as soon as syncs ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 13:37:30; decimation: oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184941 << would be infinitely better if it used "english dictionary" instead of "base64" as an encoding mechanism. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:38; trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:57:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184774 << no, i'm sure it works quite well. a good pick-up line is made out of two parts, one's a valuation and the other's an unknown. then conversation can proceed around the unknown and as it proceeds, etc. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:09:51; ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'
DanyAlos: I use it as a tool
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184345 << this is not as bad as it sounds actually. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:19:40; decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads
punkman: "I can't use ::int64_t as it not defined on all compilers for example on some platforms (Windows) we do not have stdint.h so we do not have int64_t in the global namespace. "
trinque: mod6: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/6851 << had to do this as well, after which boost built
trinque: which I do habitually, as if trying to climb across the desk with the mouse
mircea_popescu: exactly as it should be, incidentally.
kakobrekla: and the even bringing that percentage even higher as some give up.
kakobrekla: when this happens there already is such condition as i described give or take
mod6: punkman: you may want the kills_integer_retardation in there, as well as nubs`'s gentoo sanity, at least the part with the copying over of the headers & libs in auto.sh check those out here:
mircea_popescu: the mass slaughter of a large contingent of people who act as if "doing what everyone else does is safe", and who lose millions at it is the best thing that can happen.
mircea_popescu: as eulora tips say, "a willingness to learn is not mandatory. neither is survival."
kakobrekla: they are getting spammed with 'bitcoin upgrades' as we speak
decimation: kakobrekla: it's not as stupid as it sounds
decimation: "The main Luo livelihoods are fishing, farming and pastoral herding. Outside Luoland, the Luo comprise a significant fraction of East Africa's intellectual and skilled labour force in various professions. Others members work in eastern Africa as tenant fishermen, small scale farmers, and urban workers."
mircea_popescu: as in, is not meaningful.
decimation: as in, doesn't exist?
mircea_popescu: the french just started using it cca 1800 as if, and nobody really discussed the matter.
mircea_popescu: "asian" is about as descriptive as "the country of earth"./
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mats: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc loll
mod6: and really, if you wanna follow along, it helps to have the historical timeline 'in head' as well by reading the logs since last October.
phf: jurov: i don't think there's complete understanding as to what should go into patchlist yet. the one we have now is fine, and i'm sure it will be improved
mod6: yah. we would certainly put all the patches applied to a specific baseline into RELEASE_NOTES.txt as it was for v0.5.3.1
mod6: i'm not sure what to do about this as far as the email list is concerened, yet.
ascii_field: may as well use 'git' etc. then
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:44:53; phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the n
phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows ☟︎
mod6: But as I get through more of these and test more of these, I'll put something together to make this process easier.
phf: mod6: no, i'm asking you to provide an archive of raw messages as they were received and stored by mailman. something like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October.txt, but withtout attachments split into separate files
phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the next email ☟︎
phf: mod6: i don't necessarily have problems, i have a bitcoind with all the patches up to eatblock (haven't looked at stator yet, but then i'm building with enemy tools). the way i assembled patches is by reading through web archive and saving/verifying each patch as i saw it
scoopbot_revived: Further Reddit Outrage as Unpaid Moderators Rebel http://qntra.net/2015/07/further-reddit-outrage-as-unpaid-moderators-rebel/
trinque: shinohai: isn't the idea that you want your pool as big as possible?