asciilifeform: i cannot comment on danielpbarron's

asciilifeform: speaking specifically of the one asciilifeform delivered

asciilifeform: pogo container

asciilifeform: but by this token nothing ever wins against 'keep in pocket' afaik.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cost on my end , to buy and transport, was about 300bux. now you can prolly turn this into a few grand, if you compare against 'keep coin in pocket' , sure

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824234 ☝︎

asciilifeform: incidentally the whole fleet cost about 300 bux; i.e. the cost of 1 c101pa-tron.

asciilifeform: is what i meant.

asciilifeform: in re pogo in particular, i dun recall a particular +ev biznis plan for'em . they were , in mircea_popescu's exact, iirc, words, a reserve fleet.

asciilifeform: to precisely price them, is beyond not only asciilifeform , but the gods themselves.

asciilifeform: there's a finite, currently large but monotonically dwindling, number of non-nsa comps.

asciilifeform: i see a number of problems, 'it wasn't worth buying for $ 600' aint one.

asciilifeform: bolix routinely changes hands for price of ~toyoya.

asciilifeform: lemon market is not forever, potentially.

asciilifeform: difficult to 'cover the $100k' when lemon market.

asciilifeform: oldie goldie.

asciilifeform: there's oldcrap, and there's simply old.

asciilifeform: new-in-box , genuine item , was worth about 1k usd few yrs ago. and pretty much extinct last i saw.

asciilifeform: if that.

asciilifeform: old trinitron, with fade, is worth about fiddybux.

asciilifeform: precisely OLD crap

asciilifeform: there are not so many left that have life in'em.

asciilifeform: betcha you couldn't even if wanted to.

asciilifeform: remember yer trinitron.

asciilifeform: and nonrenewable resource.

asciilifeform: point being, yes, in clean and working condition (i.e. with not yet faded tubes, for instance) these are yes valuable.

asciilifeform: ( and rms falsely claimed to )

asciilifeform: the thing for which asciilifeform made a cured bios

asciilifeform: actually a pre-lenovo design

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the non-ME-intel ones

asciilifeform: phf: i gave goals, what's the problem again ?

asciilifeform: and betcha phf ditto

asciilifeform: lol no it wouldn't, i'd prolly buy a coupla dozen.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: picture if you had piled up x60's 10y ago.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supply of clean comps will become valuable as the resource dries up, which it shows every sign of heading to do.

asciilifeform: phf: i am happy that you are willing to experiment. and if yer not feeling up to the job of contest arbiter, that's allright.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pogo ? they're as usable as ever as soon as somebody gets trb into 256MB, lol

asciilifeform: pretty clear imho. obtain a c101pa. obtain the snake ( schematic on asciilifeform's www . ) send to asciilifeform the output of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824405 . then, judge prospective winners , under condition http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824459 . if pill permits overwriting all 256k of the chip, with arbitrary contents , we have a winner. then month later, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824462 . ☝︎☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: if i can't get another d00d to play the tuba while i do the drums, what merit can there be in contest.

asciilifeform: for not being '1 man band'.

asciilifeform: it is not difficult to mechanically test, either.

asciilifeform: as it is, i'm pretty satisfied with my tentative formulation.

asciilifeform: verily

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aite, how wouldja do it ?

asciilifeform: get'em a tig rig.

asciilifeform: i had nfi mircea_popescu welded !! world turned upside down!1111

asciilifeform: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099365/ << subj

asciilifeform: trash film. but included scene where 'drinky bird' with greased head was detonator, under o2 tank

asciilifeform: oh hm orig english title was 'darkman'

asciilifeform: ( ever see 'vhs america' film 'man without a face' ? )

asciilifeform: do the pets know not to grease the threads, lol

asciilifeform: phooom

asciilifeform: i considered o2 for the laser, could cut sheet metal if i substituted o2 in place of the air column, but hesitated, keeping tank in unvented shed is invitation for trouble

asciilifeform: aaaaa

asciilifeform: dare i to ask why mircea_popescu keeps the tank around

asciilifeform: it'd be a quite pricey pile of poor hammers.

asciilifeform: i'm not about to ask mircea_popescu to buy us 500 boxes prior to discovery of pill. ☟︎

asciilifeform: if we can't get somebody other than asciilifeform to stand up as referee, can't really have this contest imho. and a pill that gets immediately patched against by enemy , is of no use.

asciilifeform: ... jurov ? diana_coman ?

asciilifeform: really ideally somebody outside of usa , so they can't simply break down the door

asciilifeform: trinque, wanne be referee ?

asciilifeform: any takers ?

asciilifeform: ok i guess we need a new referee.

asciilifeform: after that he can go and collect his $500k or whatever, if he can, from enemy.

asciilifeform: so that i can acquire a supply of curable boxen.

asciilifeform: phf: i fully expect that the winner will want to publish his discovery. hence i would like to give an incentive for him to wait a reasonable time.

asciilifeform: and generally treasurer and instigator oughta be different people. as in the trb foundation.

asciilifeform: phf: i need an arbiter so as to give players some amt of confidence that rules will not change underneath them. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is to be specified that if during $period the machine becomes unavailable in retail, the 2nd half of prize condition is thereby unmet.

asciilifeform: after $time , phf goes and buys, from amazon, a c101pa , and administers the pill. if it is cured just the same as his current one, the other half of prize is to be awarded. ☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: i described a coupla min ago, upthread, how.

asciilifeform: phf: correct, full overwrite of whole 256kB fw space with arbitrary bits . repeatably. ☟︎

asciilifeform: theoretically as soon as phf gets his snake going, and gives green light, we can start.

asciilifeform: aite.

asciilifeform: trinque: there's a pretty good chance that the prize will not be claimed.

asciilifeform: on 2nd thought possibly bad idea, if contest ends without a winner, what to do about them.

asciilifeform: trinque: idea is, heathens could donate anon ( admittedly tall order, that any want to )

asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque would it be possible to set up a public address that will auto-add to the pot when sent coin to ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727646 << oblig timis ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( can i hit him up for some ln2 when i visit ?? )

asciilifeform: bahaha mircea_popescu has piped gasses?!

asciilifeform: i have nfi if they do it using coolies in romania working for food, or with what else. but there it is.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapple patches jailbreaks within day or 2 of learning about'em.

asciilifeform: google is a big bag of printolade, is all.

asciilifeform: i ain't about to try to get people to swear to eternal secrecy.

asciilifeform: and winner gets his jollies from publishing etc. if he likes.

asciilifeform: dun have to be whole month.

asciilifeform: gotta give ~some~ interval.

asciilifeform: once they're cured, they're cured.

asciilifeform: simple , neh

asciilifeform: in a month, i buy boxen, cure'em.

asciilifeform: let's see what phf says

asciilifeform: if pill still worx -- pass.

asciilifeform: it is to be computed as follows : at the end of the elapsed period, i go to a shop and buy a box, and let it vendor-update

asciilifeform: i trust the bounty-motivated folk about as far as i can throw'em.

asciilifeform: for the smart arses who want to collect from us and then immediately google's bounty.

asciilifeform: to discourage double-dipping.

asciilifeform: also thinking , half the prize is to be paid immediately on the receipt of a working crack, and other half a month later if google shows no sign of patching.